ffrobbyrob
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I know I may be opening a can of worms, but do anyone use a p22 as a CCW?
P22 as CCW
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MICHAEL T
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No a good Idea . move up to a least 32 or 380
scurtis_34471
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I own one. I like it a lot. I would never carry it. While its better than throwing rocks, I would not carry anything smaller than .380ACP or .38 Special.
XLMiguel
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If that's all you've got, go for it - it's better than harsh language, and no one really wants to get shot. As will be amply noted, .22LR ain't a great fight stopper, but a hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45. Practice, a lot.
Joe the Redneck
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Where as I agree, remember it's hits that count.
I have a Beretta 25 and an NAA .32. I have much better control with the .25. The NAA has the worst trigger I've ever seen on a $400 gun, and its way too "snappy" for good accuracy, at least in my hands.
So try a few 32 and 380. My fav is my PPK/s in 380. I carry it whenever I can. I'd hate to say perfect, but close enough for me.
Joe
I have a Beretta 25 and an NAA .32. I have much better control with the .25. The NAA has the worst trigger I've ever seen on a $400 gun, and its way too "snappy" for good accuracy, at least in my hands.
So try a few 32 and 380. My fav is my PPK/s in 380. I carry it whenever I can. I'd hate to say perfect, but close enough for me.
Joe
sig228
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A 22
Is just gonna really piss 'em off.....
Is just gonna really piss 'em off.....
possum
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of the two p22's that i have experience with, they leave alot to be desired in the reliability department, they are so-so accurate. not to mention they are .22's go 9mm at least. i do not see the .22 as a viable sd caliber.
CannonFodder
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For stopping power?
Not so much.
For concealability - fairly decent
Not so much.
For concealability - fairly decent
trueblue1776
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I carry a P22
I carry one, it isn't my everyday gun but its very thin and as far as small pistols go, it looks a lot like a service pistol. I agree that a .22 is not a powerful round but for me it is a 100% reliable gun. I have always thought if you can bow down a BG and wait for the cops it doesn't matter which caliber.
Let the small caliber haters begin....
I carry one, it isn't my everyday gun but its very thin and as far as small pistols go, it looks a lot like a service pistol. I agree that a .22 is not a powerful round but for me it is a 100% reliable gun. I have always thought if you can bow down a BG and wait for the cops it doesn't matter which caliber.
Let the small caliber haters begin....
Geronimo45
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My main objection to .22 is in the cartridge. Diameter be damned, .22 LR ammunition seems to have a higher tendency to rottenness than any other ammunition I know of. Witness problems with feeding .22 LR pistols. Three or four brands work, others have a tendency to fail to feed, etc. Bought a used .22 autoloader, with some old ammo in the rifle case. Various makes and brands... Winchester, usually a solid ammo maker, was represented. A half-dozen or so 'Super X' rounds. Duds, all of 'em. So were a few of the other rounds. No evidence of water damage, and it wasn't light primer strikes. Of course, there's no telling how old those rounds were.
I understand that .22 rounds go bad faster than other ammo... and personal experience seems to bear that out. I'm thinking that .22LR doesn't have the standards you'll see in most centerfire cartridges - dirty powder, issues with the bullets themselves, etc. If you use it, make sure to load it up with new ammo once a month at least... just as a precaution.
Good thing about a .22 is that it allows you to do a lot of practice without breaking the bank. Bad things: reliability issues, mainly. I'd probably go with a revolver in .22 if I was looking at it for CC, but that's personal preference.
When people stop dying from shots from calibers under 9mm in power, I'll buy into the minimum caliber theories... just carry what you're good with. If you can put the rounds where you want 'em with your gun, and do it fast, go with that gun. If it can penetrate 7" or so of human innerds, it's got the capacity to wipe somebody out, IMO*. The FBI prefers greater penetration - 'cause they want to be able to deal with worst-case scenarios where they're shooting through boxes, doors, and arms to get to vital organs.
* Seven inches: based purely on the length of many 'combat knife' blades. F-S fighting knife, for example - about seven inches of blade (or 6 7/8ths), five of hilt. It wasn't made as a utility knife, but expressly for rubbing people out. Seven inches was considered enough length to do that, and I reckon that that's a good minimum standard for bullets, too. The more penetration, the better it'll do in worst-case scenarios, though - when an unobstructed shot ain't possible.
I understand that .22 rounds go bad faster than other ammo... and personal experience seems to bear that out. I'm thinking that .22LR doesn't have the standards you'll see in most centerfire cartridges - dirty powder, issues with the bullets themselves, etc. If you use it, make sure to load it up with new ammo once a month at least... just as a precaution.
Good thing about a .22 is that it allows you to do a lot of practice without breaking the bank. Bad things: reliability issues, mainly. I'd probably go with a revolver in .22 if I was looking at it for CC, but that's personal preference.
When people stop dying from shots from calibers under 9mm in power, I'll buy into the minimum caliber theories... just carry what you're good with. If you can put the rounds where you want 'em with your gun, and do it fast, go with that gun. If it can penetrate 7" or so of human innerds, it's got the capacity to wipe somebody out, IMO*. The FBI prefers greater penetration - 'cause they want to be able to deal with worst-case scenarios where they're shooting through boxes, doors, and arms to get to vital organs.
* Seven inches: based purely on the length of many 'combat knife' blades. F-S fighting knife, for example - about seven inches of blade (or 6 7/8ths), five of hilt. It wasn't made as a utility knife, but expressly for rubbing people out. Seven inches was considered enough length to do that, and I reckon that that's a good minimum standard for bullets, too. The more penetration, the better it'll do in worst-case scenarios, though - when an unobstructed shot ain't possible.
scurtis_34471
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Mine is completely reliable with CCI Mini-Mags and Stingers. I have shot hundreds of them through the gun without a single failure. Everything else I've tried has been problematic.
A lot of people complain about accuracy and I'll admit that its not a tack hammer, but its plenty accurate enough to do the job. I can consistently shoot inside the 4" ring of a target at 15 yards and even the fliers are in the 8" ring. The gun points great and I can do that all day long, even with rapid fire.
The reason I won't carry it is the lack of stopping power. While I'm sure 10 rapidly-fired Stingers would probably do that job, I am not 100% confident it would drop an attacker before they could get to me.
A lot of people complain about accuracy and I'll admit that its not a tack hammer, but its plenty accurate enough to do the job. I can consistently shoot inside the 4" ring of a target at 15 yards and even the fliers are in the 8" ring. The gun points great and I can do that all day long, even with rapid fire.
The reason I won't carry it is the lack of stopping power. While I'm sure 10 rapidly-fired Stingers would probably do that job, I am not 100% confident it would drop an attacker before they could get to me.
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I'm really tire of reading in threads like this, "It will really piss them off" or "If they find out they are shot they will be really pissed" when talking about a .22 or .25 Auto.
I know the .22 is a poor SD round but I disagree you need to carry at least a 9mm to protect yourself. The 7.65mm Browning (.32 Auto) has been the round of choice for European LEO's for a very long time. The Walther PPK wouldn't still be on the market if the .32 and .380 were useless.
IMO too many people rely upon a very large caliber and an obscene number of rounds to feel they are protected when 7 rounds of .32 Auto will do a very good job, if you do your job. (translation - practice, shot placement, practice) Also IMO, if you need 17+1 rounds of 9mm w/2X mags of 17 rounds each to protect yourself, you are probably very lazy and not practicing enough and missing most of your shots. Spray and pray would require 52 rounds to protect yourself instead of a few well placed rounds. (I'm not talking about LEO's on the job where they have to confront multiple BG's and put themselves in harms way.)
Let the flames begin, I really don't care!!
I know the .22 is a poor SD round but I disagree you need to carry at least a 9mm to protect yourself. The 7.65mm Browning (.32 Auto) has been the round of choice for European LEO's for a very long time. The Walther PPK wouldn't still be on the market if the .32 and .380 were useless.
IMO too many people rely upon a very large caliber and an obscene number of rounds to feel they are protected when 7 rounds of .32 Auto will do a very good job, if you do your job. (translation - practice, shot placement, practice) Also IMO, if you need 17+1 rounds of 9mm w/2X mags of 17 rounds each to protect yourself, you are probably very lazy and not practicing enough and missing most of your shots. Spray and pray would require 52 rounds to protect yourself instead of a few well placed rounds. (I'm not talking about LEO's on the job where they have to confront multiple BG's and put themselves in harms way.)
Let the flames begin, I really don't care!!
ffrobbyrob
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I do not CCW with a p22. But I was thinking that it is concealable, fairly light, does not "look" like a .22 and little to no recoil.
I am thinking of getting either the G19, G23, XD9, or the M&P9mm for CCW.
I am thinking of getting either the G19, G23, XD9, or the M&P9mm for CCW.
trueblue1776
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I just came across this clip this morning. This is a perfect example of why I carry a gun, I don't want to assassinate anybody but I don't want to be a bystander to crimes against my property.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f6_1175588071
This guy earns massive karma credit, and a .22 would have worked just as well.
+1 on the CCI stingers for carry, that is the highest quality round that has enough power to reliably cycle a .22 auto.
I just came across this clip this morning. This is a perfect example of why I carry a gun, I don't want to assassinate anybody but I don't want to be a bystander to crimes against my property.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f6_1175588071
This guy earns massive karma credit, and a .22 would have worked just as well.
+1 on the CCI stingers for carry, that is the highest quality round that has enough power to reliably cycle a .22 auto.
Piedmont Plinker
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.22 has killed a lot of people. I would not want to carry it but I would. The main reason I see for carrying a .22 is ammo cost-if you can't buy enough ammo to get good with our gun.
However, if I had to carry a .22, it'd be a Smith 317 3 inch.
.22 reliabilty issues are a concern.
However, if I had to carry a .22, it'd be a Smith 317 3 inch.
.22 reliabilty issues are a concern.
shooter1
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The only valid reason to carry a .22 for self defense, is if that's all you have. There are plenty of higher caliber pistols available that are as small or smaller, than the .22 pistols on the market.
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possum
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yep, and my kahr is a .40 and it is pretty darn small and it ain't even the smallest model or the lightest model they make.
do what you want to but i wouldn't carry a .22
PointOneSeven
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I did for about a year, loaded with mini-mags.
Then I saw how small something in .380 or .38 special could be. I haven't looked back.
Then I saw how small something in .380 or .38 special could be. I haven't looked back.
MikePGS
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I'm not sure exactly how they add up, but i believe walther and smith and wesson's P99 is pretty similar.http://www.waltheramerica.com/firearms/p99qa.cfm At least as far as appearances go, though in all honesty i'm not familiar with exact dimensions. All i'm saying is that if you like the particular gun, maybe you might want to upgrade to a 9mm. As many have already said shot placement is the most important thing, but there is some argument for a gun capable of generating more energy than a .22 (In spite of the volumes of people killed with this caliber). Another option you might want to persue if price is an issue is a used Makarov or CZ-82. You can get these for around 200-300 if you search around (Try websites like makarov.com or gunbroker.com or if your really interested message me and i'll direct you to some more). Either way just make sure whatever you end up with is a firearm that your comfortable with and one that you also practice a good deal with. 9mm ammunition while more expensive than .22 caliber by a good deal is generally the least expensive of centerfire pistol calibers, another good reason to get it: You can practice more.
GunNut
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I was in a gun store earlier and some guy was looking at a P22 and asking about a ankle holster for it.:banghead: :banghead:
There are so many better guns out there for CCW and self defense, go with a bigger caliber and a better gun.
Steve
There are so many better guns out there for CCW and self defense, go with a bigger caliber and a better gun.
Steve
tinygnat219
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Don't bother with it. It's a POS gun that's REAL finicky on ammo. I used to have one that never fired a full magazine reliably. Also think on this: Do you want to defend your life with something as utterly unreliable as this pistol firing a substandard rimfire round?
Yeah, I can see the whole argument regarding .22 doing the job. It will put someone down, eventually. It's not a guarantee to stop the fight right then, right now. Someone could still pummel you and then pass on to the hot and unholy 10 minutes later.
So, to sum up, don't trust the gun, it's junk. Get a bigger round, like 38 Special, or 9MM if you want reliable low recoil defensive rounds. Walther makes a nice P99 platform, and S&W has made .38 SPL revolvers for over a century.
Yeah, I can see the whole argument regarding .22 doing the job. It will put someone down, eventually. It's not a guarantee to stop the fight right then, right now. Someone could still pummel you and then pass on to the hot and unholy 10 minutes later.
So, to sum up, don't trust the gun, it's junk. Get a bigger round, like 38 Special, or 9MM if you want reliable low recoil defensive rounds. Walther makes a nice P99 platform, and S&W has made .38 SPL revolvers for over a century.
nwilliams
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The caliber wouldn't cause me to hesitate as quickly as the gun would.
I wouldn't carry a .22 for ccw to begin with, but I certainly wouldn't carry a P22 at all. I had one but not for long, I wasn't impressed. Personally I'd feel more comfortable carrying a Sig Mosquito over a P22.
I wouldn't carry a .22 for ccw to begin with, but I certainly wouldn't carry a P22 at all. I had one but not for long, I wasn't impressed. Personally I'd feel more comfortable carrying a Sig Mosquito over a P22.
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