PA "Buyback" Rules?

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Just read a notice that my PA town (not Philly, Harrisburg, or P-burg) is going to have a Gun Buyback. I would like to attend and possibly offer more money for some firearms and any ammo the other attendees might bring. I have a PA Carry Permit and an 03 C&R FFL.
Assuming the police don't make me leave, can I...
...buy C&R pistols directly?
...buy C&R long guns directly?
...buy non-C&R long guns directly?
...offer to take the seller to an FFL to buy non-C&R pistols?
...buy any of the above without checking to see if the guns are stolen?
...offer rough appraisals? (They are offering $50 gift cards)
...buy any and all ammo?
I have my opinions on a few of these, but I'd rather hear what others have to say. I do not want a confrontation with the local police, and plan to inform them of my intentions, after I have all my legal ducks in a row.
Any specific statute info would be appreciated.
 
It all depends on the private sale laws for the state. Are face to face transfers legal up there?
 
As far as I know, you can buy anything you want, face to face, in PA, so long as you are both PA residents.

And you likely -will- have a confrontation with the local police, no matter what. Stay on public property.
 
Unless PA has outlawed face-to-face gun purchases, pretty much the only thing your FFL does is give you credentials for being there when the police hassle you (which they will.) But maybe that's enough.

Don't forget you will need to log any C&R firearms into your bound book.
 
Handgun transfers need to done at a FFL AFAIK in PA unless its between immediate relatives. Don't know if PA recognizes your C&R to buy handguns directly (C&R or otherwise).
 
As far as I know, you can buy anything you want, face to face, in PA, so long as you are both PA residents.
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Well, you don't know the law in PA.

Handguns have to go through an FFL. Rifles can be face to face.

OP, verify all legal advice you recieve on the internet by reading the state law, or talking to a lawyer who is very familiar with firearms law.
 
Thanks, Rat, doing all that. Right now, my biggest gray areas are how a Carry Permit and/or C&R FFL affects the system.
 
Thanks, Rat, doing all that. Right now, my biggest gray areas are how a Carry Permit and/or C&R FFL affects the system.
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It will confuse them. (that's a good thing in this case) Especially the FFL.
 
I think you need to be conerned about how you're going to carry all the goodies you buy. I think it'd be hilarious to buy every single usable firearm out from under those jokers!! :D
 
The PA code says this:

18 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 6111(c) Duty of other persons.--Any person who is not a licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer and who desires to sell or transfer a firearm to another unlicensed person shall do so only upon the place of business of a licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or county sheriff's office, the latter of whom shall follow the procedure set forth in this section as if he were the seller of the firearm. The provisions of this section shall not apply to transfers between spouses or to transfers between a parent and child or to transfers between grandparent and grandchild.
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In this case, "firearm" only referrs to handguns (under 15" barrel) and SBRs/SBSs. As a Type 03 FFL is a licensed "collector," I don't think your C&R applies, and the street outside the local PD isn't your "place of business."

Your LCTF doesn't seem to change matters in any way.
 
It's even more hazy because a licensed collector can import weapons if they are curios. I don't remember the form number; it's the same as a FFL 01 would use.
 
The US Code (Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, section 923) describes the kinds of FFLs thus:

§ 923. Licensing
(a) No person shall engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or importing or manufacturing ammunition, until he has filed an application with and received a license to do so from the Attorney General. ... as follows:
(1) If the applicant is a manufacturer— ...
(2) If the applicant is an importer— ...
(3) If the applicant is a dealer— ...

(b) Any person desiring to be licensed as a collector shall file an application for such license with the Attorney General. The application shall be in such form and contain only that information necessary to determine eligibility as the Attorney General shall by regulation prescribe. The fee for such license shall be $10 per year. Any license granted under this subsection shall only apply to transactions in curios and relics.
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A Collector's Type 03 FFL seems to be a distinct legal entity separate from the definition of a licensed manufacturer, dealer, or importer.
 
RatDrall said:
Well, you don't know the law in PA.

Handguns have to go through an FFL. Rifles can be face to face.

OP, verify all legal advice you recieve on the internet by reading the state law, or talking to a lawyer who is very familiar with firearms law.
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Interesting ... I wonder if the "buy back" people will have an FFL on staff? When they run the NICS check for the 4473 ... in who's name do they run it?

I wonder what they would do if they can't get an FFL to agree to "work the event"?
 
Get a table, and some 2x4 to be uprights and hang a banner over the table offering FREE APPRAISAL, get a bull horn and yell 'Don't let the MAN rip you off, Don't let the government screw you over for pennies on the dollar, your gun could be worth thousands etc."

Keep a stack of gunshop cards (and get them to do a free transfer or two in exchange) and only buy the long guns, refer the pistols. Make sure you have the property owners permission too if you set up a table. The free appraisal and telling them that they are throwing away money should get you pretty much everybody but the hardcore anti's
 
"I wonder if the "buy back" people will have an FFL on staff"

People are turning guns into the police, no FFL needed.
 
Yes, but as a public high school teacher, my determination in the face of the law is limited. There is very little tolerance in schools for teachers who get into "hassles". If I do anything for this Buy Back, I want to be very much in legal territory.
 
A group of gun owners in Texas did just what you propose. Story can be googled for the details. Go for the gusto.
 
Expect to get detained and maybe ticketed for anything minor they can find. So... check your headlights, tail lights, turn signals, have your ID on you (if that's required in your state) and make sure everything you do is legal to the tiniest detail.
 
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