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Not trying to start a war with Para fans, but what is it about that particular line of firearms that seems to offer a lot of pistol, but doesn't have a great reputation?

I mean a friend of mine had a P12? and when he went to buy another firearm and was considering trading the P12 the shop owner said he just didn't want it at any price. He said there was just no demand for them.

I had a P10 several years ago and it was not reliable, so I got rid of it.

You just never seem to see any threads about Para Ordnance pistols on the various forums, and I just wonder why.

Just curious.

Thanks.
JP :D
 
I'd like to know a little bit about Para myself. I've never owned one although I have dry fired an LDA and it was very, very nice. With all of the different models and configurations it seems odd that they aren't more popular.
 
My IPSC "entry level" limited gun is a P-16.

Reliability isn't an issue. It functions flawlessly.

Quality is less than I expected for the price I paid for it. Shoots 5" high and 2" left at 15 yds no matter what ammo I feed it. Groups great, just not where I'm pointing it!

The trigger was atrocious...creep, wiggle, drag, extremely heavy and inconsistent.

Currently at the gunsmith for trigger job, steel mag catch and sights to correct the POA/POI.

Live and learn, but if I had it to do over again I'd have taken the plunge for a Brazos Custom from the gitgo. When I do move up to a better IPSC pistol, the Para will make a good carry gun.

I'm not planning on getting rid of this one, but I don't plan to buy another Para either.
 
I use two Paras for USPSA matches. An 18.9 LDA for Production and a 16.40 Hicap for Limited and L10. I have made a total of ONE change to each pistol - I fitted a Dawson fiber optic front sight. I've not done another thing to the LDA. I had my 'smith smooth out the 16.40's trigger. He didn't have to use any aftermarket parts and the whole job cost me $40.

I like Paras - IMHO they are the best hicap 1911s on the market today.

I also know a number of LEOs who carry the Para LDA on duty and absolutely love it.
 
It's news to me that they have a bad rep. Sure, I hear Kimber and Colt and Springfield owners bashing them, but they bash each other, too. It's a brand loyalty thing.

I currently own four 1911's: one Kimber, one Colt and two Paras. The Kimber (a custom shop model) was the most expensive, followed by the Colt. The Paras, despite being less expensive, are the better guns.

One Para is an SSP (traditional full size, single stack, single action) that I bought new about a year ago for around $575. It's the best 1911 I've ever seen out of the box. Other than the mags, which aren't very good from any major pistol company, quality is first rate. With quality mags (Wilson, CMC and Tripp are what I use) I get 100% reliability with any ammo, including cheap 200 grain semi-wadcutter reloads. It is more accurate that the Kimber or the Colt. It's the only autopistol I have ever owned that had a trigger I loved right out of the box -- breaks cleanly and crisply at 4-1/2 pounds every time. POI was dead on with respect to windage, but about 3 inches below POA with my standard practice load (PMC 230 grain ball). Of course, you can't expect a mass production pistol to be sighted right in with any load out of the box, so I don't see that as a problem.

I liked the SSP so much that a few months later I bought another Para -- a CCW. The CCW is a single stack with the LDA trigger system. It is unique in that it has a commander barrel (4.25") and slide on an officer size frame. It also has a bobbed hammer and short grip safety, making it a very concealable package. I love it. Groups aren't quite as tight as the SSP, but it is just as reliable. I've tried and tried to make it fail to feed or eject, getting it hot and dirty and intentionally limp wristing it, but it just won't. With Winchester Ranger SXT 230 (RA45T) POI is dead on for windage and 1 inch below POA at 15 yards.

The LDA trigger is nice, but not as nice as the SSP's single action trigger. The take-up stage is smooth and VERY light -- about 1 pound on my digital scale. The second stage breaks at around 5-1/2 pounds, which is a bit more than I'd like, and also has a bit of creep in it. This is my CCW gun, however, not a target pistol, so it is certainly acceptable.

I also really like Para's proprietary Power Extractor design. It just works. Unlike traditional internal extractors, it won't ever need adjusting. Unlike external extractors, it is protected by the slide and not subject to malfunctions caused by dirt and grime getting into the works.

I carry my CCW daily now, and the SSP is my favorite pistol to take to the range. The Colt I'm going to hang onto just because it's so pretty (it's a WWI replica model). The Kimber is going to get sold.

Para doesn't have the market share or brand recognition that Kimber, Colt and Springfield Armory do, so the sheer number of people who own those brands will tend to overwhelm the Para owners. Don't me misled into thinking that means that Paras are somehow lower quality. They're not.
 
I love Para Ordnance pistols.

My first was an LDA P14. For a DAO action I really liked the trigger. I just didn't like DAO.

Traded it in on a P14 Limited in stainless that has been flawless with the exception of a busted mag catch. (PO biggest flaw is the cheap plastic mag catch the factory uses....easily replaced with a steel one)

I have since bought another P14 Limited as well as a P16 .40, P13.45, LTC, and SSP.

I have noticed demand for the P12 and P10 seems low. Check out gunbroker and you will see what I mean. The Warthog seems to have increased interest in the P10, but there seemed to be a reliability issue with the smaller versions if the forums are to be beleived.

All my Paras have performed perfectly. The P13 shotlow but I was able to remedy that myself. Triggers are good for factory guns. Finish is better on some of the newer than the older versions. :uhoh:

I am very fond of my P.O guns.

Smoke
 
For more Para info, or to chat with Para owners, try the Para Ordnance forum at http://1911forum.com. A direct link to the Para forum is here: http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33

If you look at the main forums page, by the way, you'll see what I mean about relative numbers of owners of the various brands. The Colt, Kimber and SA forums all have around 8,000 posts in them. The Dan Wesson forum has 3,000 and the Para Ordnance forum only has a little over 2,000. Unless the other brands have unusually talkative owners, you could infer that there are approximately four Kimber, four Colt and four SA owners for every 1 Para Ordnance owner.

That's makes us a pretty exclusive group, I guess. :neener:
 
Rented a Para ssp at local range pistol wasn't very accuarate and I had problems with it feeding. I believe that the magazine was the problem. Pistol looked good and at the lastest gun show I went to they were priced in the 595 price range. My only grip is that there made from castings and I prefer forged guns. Other than I do think the LDA is a great concept.... :D
 
Absolutely love the Para SSP .45. Shoot it better than my Colts. They have an excellent reputation as far as I'm concerned.
 
IMHO, Para Ordnance pistols pistols are a quality product; especially the
single-stack 1911 models. Sure, they don't sell as rapidly as Colts, Kimbers,
or Springfields; but then again, Para doesn't spend a lot of $$$$ advertising
in monthly publications~ :uhoh: :D Using quality magazines Para's
should run with the rest of the 1911's. :)
 
I've a P14, P13, & P10 and the Springfield clone of the P12. IMHO they are great range/gamer guns but would be amoung my last choices for carry simply because the mags are too sensitive to sand/dirt/fouling and mag spring life is rather short.

If you only load 5 or 6 rounds in the mags they'll pretty much always work (in which case why not stick with a single stack gun!) but when loaded to full capacity it doesn't take much foriegn material in the mag to cause the follower to bind resulting in a "ride over feed" failure. If I shoot only one mag its pretty rare to get much past 100-150 rounds without a problem. Basically I have to clean the mags more than the gun!

Accuracy, trigger, and sights are better than average which is why I say they are great range/gamer guns.


I've no experience with their single stack guns but they should basically be as good as any other 1911.

--wally.
 
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