Island Beretta
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Recently sampled a Para Ord Carry LDA trigger and it is sweet!! Since the Colt 1911 SA trigger esp. when slicked was the benchmark, which do you think is the nicer trigger now>>>
Para Ord's LDA trigger sweeter than the Colt 1911 SA trigger!!
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RANash
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Although the LDA trigger IS the nicest DA trigger I've ever tried, a properly tuned 1911 SA trigger still has it beat in my opinion.
Tamara
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If I ever find a nicer pistol trigger than a good 1911, I'll let you know...
cmsgt
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lda trigger
I prefer the LDA P.O. trigger; plus I like the hammer down, so was thinking about buying one of those beautiful P.O. companions or carry guns. That is, until I read about the disassembly -- it comes, if I remember correctly, with a tool of some sort for disassembly. Particularly for a carry firearm, I want to be able to field strip it in seconds like a Sig, Glock, Taurus, Baretta, Walther, etc. So I did not buy it.
I prefer the LDA P.O. trigger; plus I like the hammer down, so was thinking about buying one of those beautiful P.O. companions or carry guns. That is, until I read about the disassembly -- it comes, if I remember correctly, with a tool of some sort for disassembly. Particularly for a carry firearm, I want to be able to field strip it in seconds like a Sig, Glock, Taurus, Baretta, Walther, etc. So I did not buy it.
Jim Watson
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I guess I am the only one out of step on the LDA, but, when handed one at the P-O booth at the IDPA Nationals, I COULD NOT MAKE THE BLAMED THING GO OFF.
It went like so:
Insert magazine, rack slide, aim, pull (light but gritty trigger with noticeable stack - I bet Todd J doesn't shoot that one), Bang.
Pull trigger again, nothing.
Rack slide, live round ejects.
Pull trigger, Bang.
Pull trigger again, nothing.
"You are not letting the trigger reset."
OK, I repeat the drill, being sure I get clear off the trigger after the shot breaks, Bang, pull trigger again, nothing.
I struggled and struggled with that thing, but could not reliably make it fire two shots in a row. Don't know what I was doing to it, I have no trouble with SA, real DA, or Glock.
Guy with me had no trouble making it work, but did not like the feel either.
It went like so:
Insert magazine, rack slide, aim, pull (light but gritty trigger with noticeable stack - I bet Todd J doesn't shoot that one), Bang.
Pull trigger again, nothing.
Rack slide, live round ejects.
Pull trigger, Bang.
Pull trigger again, nothing.
"You are not letting the trigger reset."
OK, I repeat the drill, being sure I get clear off the trigger after the shot breaks, Bang, pull trigger again, nothing.
I struggled and struggled with that thing, but could not reliably make it fire two shots in a row. Don't know what I was doing to it, I have no trouble with SA, real DA, or Glock.
Guy with me had no trouble making it work, but did not like the feel either.
Pendragon
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Just wondering if you can expound on that? Have you had a simultaneous sear, series 80, grip and thumb safety failure?
Or is it that you just dont like how it looks?
Sean Smith
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The LDA trigger is made for people who are scared of the sight of a hammer back on their gun. There is no objective safety advantage, except safety from bureaucrats scared of the 1911. The trigger pull is still inferior to a good factory 1911 trigger, let alone what a $100 trigger job can give you.
Compared to a non-1911, the trigger pull is pretty nice, if kind of funky.
Compared to a non-1911, the trigger pull is pretty nice, if kind of funky.
WWJMBS?
(What Would John Moses Browning Say?)
A double-action 1911 variant. Hmm. Looks like the liability lawyers won that one, didn't they?
I've got some seriously smooth double action revolvers. And a smooth Kahr K9. But to come right out and state they're "sweeter" than a 1911 single action trigger? Whachutalkinbout, Willis?
(What Would John Moses Browning Say?)
A double-action 1911 variant. Hmm. Looks like the liability lawyers won that one, didn't they?
I've got some seriously smooth double action revolvers. And a smooth Kahr K9. But to come right out and state they're "sweeter" than a 1911 single action trigger? Whachutalkinbout, Willis?
mr e man
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I'm sure it's a smooth action for those who can get used to it, but I just cannot... to me me it seems somewhat fragile. I prefer a well tuned SA
mr e man
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I'm sure it's a smooth action for those who can get used to it, but I just cannot... to me me it seems somewhat fragile. I prefer a well tuned SA
Marko Kloos
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The best thing about the 1911 design is the SA trigger, the most elegant method ever devised to trip a sear. The hinged LDA trigger, while nice, takes away the single best 1911 feature.
DRGREG
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The Para Carry (6.45) does not require any tools to disassemble and field strip. The other models may require a bushing wrench, however I have no experience with those.
There is an absolute safety advantage to the double action trigger of the LDA. Despite the lightness of the trigger pull required the length of travel is much greater than that of a single action pistol. This in itself conveys an extra advantage in terms of preventing accidental discharges. I know some will say that accidental discharges don't occur if you keep your finger off of the trigger, etc... Regardless, the longer travel of the LDA adds an extra margin of safety to prevent AD.
That being said I don't believe you can even compare it to a well done SA trigger. I personally like the feel of the LDA, and carry one as my CCW, but I believe a well-done SA is a different animal.
There is an absolute safety advantage to the double action trigger of the LDA. Despite the lightness of the trigger pull required the length of travel is much greater than that of a single action pistol. This in itself conveys an extra advantage in terms of preventing accidental discharges. I know some will say that accidental discharges don't occur if you keep your finger off of the trigger, etc... Regardless, the longer travel of the LDA adds an extra margin of safety to prevent AD.
That being said I don't believe you can even compare it to a well done SA trigger. I personally like the feel of the LDA, and carry one as my CCW, but I believe a well-done SA is a different animal.
cmsgt
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Duck!!
Many, many years ago when I was active duty in the army, my sidearm was the Colt 45, and my great rifle was the M14 -- I still remember the serial number after a few decades. That 45 used to rattlle when shaken lightly.
Did have one negative experience with it: my NCOIC, a vet with 14 or so yrs of experience at that time, was supposed to clear the weapon and store it, but unfortunately he fired off a round in our crypto center. Was he ever embarassed while the rest of us hit the floor; we found the round later in the next room. This could have well been operator error. After that, he used to show up for work an hour early and leave late to avoid the ribbing. The first GI that came running to our vault-like room was a young captain who succeeded Colin Powell as the JCS Chairman -- his office was directly above the commcenter.
Today we carry the M9 with one in the tube under the flightsuit, or when wearing BDUs, secured on hip with a Bianchi holster.
I'm not much of a 9mm or 223 fan; prefer the 45 and 308 round. But those in the Pentagon seem to prefer the maximum load carry GIs have with the 15 rd mags and 280 rds of 223.
For a good first hand comparison, read Blackhawk Down.
Many, many years ago when I was active duty in the army, my sidearm was the Colt 45, and my great rifle was the M14 -- I still remember the serial number after a few decades. That 45 used to rattlle when shaken lightly.
Did have one negative experience with it: my NCOIC, a vet with 14 or so yrs of experience at that time, was supposed to clear the weapon and store it, but unfortunately he fired off a round in our crypto center. Was he ever embarassed while the rest of us hit the floor; we found the round later in the next room. This could have well been operator error. After that, he used to show up for work an hour early and leave late to avoid the ribbing. The first GI that came running to our vault-like room was a young captain who succeeded Colin Powell as the JCS Chairman -- his office was directly above the commcenter.
Today we carry the M9 with one in the tube under the flightsuit, or when wearing BDUs, secured on hip with a Bianchi holster.
I'm not much of a 9mm or 223 fan; prefer the 45 and 308 round. But those in the Pentagon seem to prefer the maximum load carry GIs have with the 15 rd mags and 280 rds of 223.
For a good first hand comparison, read Blackhawk Down.
bountyhunter
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"The LDA trigger is made for people who are scared of the sight of a hammer back on their gun. There is no objective safety advantage, except safety from bureaucrats scared of the 1911. The trigger pull is still inferior to a good factory 1911 trigger, let alone what a $100 trigger job can give you.
Compared to a non-1911, the trigger pull is pretty nice, if kind of funky."
Maybe. I find my LDA to be a cross between a wheelgun and a 1911. You can stage the trigger and break it, or just roll straight through. I like the lDA. The only trigger I genuinely hate is a Glock's.
Compared to a non-1911, the trigger pull is pretty nice, if kind of funky."
Maybe. I find my LDA to be a cross between a wheelgun and a 1911. You can stage the trigger and break it, or just roll straight through. I like the lDA. The only trigger I genuinely hate is a Glock's.
Island Beretta
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Some very interesting comments... MORE, MORE, MORE!!
Lone_Gunman
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I like 1911 triggers better, but I also like Glock triggers, so maybe i am just not a good judge.
QB
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I've had an LDA. Bountyhunter is correct..."You can stage the trigger and break it, or just roll straight through." I disliked the "perceived" fragile trigger bar (not sure that is what the part is called) and the way it would disconnent. I'm not saying it was fragile, just that it gave me the perception of being fragile. Anyway, back to the trigger........ I wouldn't even think of comparing it to a SA trigger, not even a SA trigger right out of the box.
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