Parking Garage: Armed Robbery and Aggravated Battery

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Rmeju

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I'll try to make this quick.

I live in an apt. building in downtown Minneapolis. A guy who's friends with my neighbor was walking the short distance from his car on the 3rd level of our parking garage.

He was kinda-sorta paying attention, and as he walked by a guy standing around, was caught from behind, had a gun pointed in his face, and the guy demanded his wallet and laptop.

After a few confused moments, he was relieved of both, and because of his hesitation, was pushed down to the ground and pistol whipped in the face 3 or 4 times before the robber fled. It was only 6:45 at night...practically rush hour for our garage!

Cops came in at the request of our apartment complex to talk about safety. I wasn't surprised at the reaction of most residents. They felt unsafe and violated, but the most vocal wanted the property management to keep them safe. Situational awareness was discussed at some length, but people kept interrupting with the "what is management doing to make me safe", like they were somehow asleep to the fact that they should be responsible for their own safety.

After awhile, I asked the cops how they felt about recommending people getting their carry permits. Both indicated that so long as the person was committed to getting trained, both mentally and physically to carry a gun, that they felt it was a personal choice. One also added that he'd never had a negative encounter with a permit holder. Later on I heard people starting to ask questions about the process. I must admit to a little petty smugness on my part of all the libs in my building being forced to wallow in the stupidity of their positions on the role of police/security and self-protection. But I felt appropriately guilty about it :D

The whole thing was kind of a sobering reminder for me. I work in WI, and so normally don't carry to/from work. But that means that virtually every time I'm in my garage, I'm not carrying. I changed that today. I carried to work (well...almost, I cased the weapon just prior to crossing into WI).

My wife immigrated from China in May. The first day she found out I had a permit, she literally cried because she thought I was crazy. By July, she was checking to make sure I had my gun on me when we were out and about. By October, she was thinking about getting a 'little' gun and a permit. I think this incident is the last straw for her. Nothing like a little dose of reality to evaporate the "logic" of lefties.


Thanks for listening guys!

Rmeju
 
Nothing like a little dose of reality

I like these words.

Kudos to you for mentioning CCW with the police. You never know, it could save someones life. That thief means business, and likely won't bluff.
 
you could have had 5 guns in concealment... when your hit from behind and have a gun in your face, Those guns will do nothing for you.


Paying attention is what will prevent this type of thing from happening.
 
x2 you are correct TAB. But situational awareness will take you only so far in this specific situation.
 
Parking garages have well-earned reputations as scenes for opportunist crimes like robberies.

They're dry places, usually dark, have a lot of foot traffic, with few and limited points of entry and exit. I can't really envision much of a more ideal place to hang out for a while, pick over the herd, and go take one down when the circumstances most favor the criminal.
 
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Ken nailed it with his complete post.

Do not threaten or do anything to get landlord, or property mgmt to kick you out, and get you blacklisted. In the future these same folks will be references for you, when it comes time to rent elsewhere.

After speaking to your renter's and vehicle insurance agents, perhaps they will call property mgmt, and other folks to have this deck made more secure.
Most properties meet code. They do only what they have to do , to meet code and their insurance company regs.

With pressure from other insurance companies and code enforcement, 'sometimes' changes occur.

More secure with increased lighting, barriers to impede access from the street, key pad entry past a gate - and keypad entry to allow access to elevator to discourage crimes getting into, out of, and while in "vertical coffins" (elevators).

All these things do is keep an honest person honest. Still one can make a deck and its elevators "less appealing" as a target.

Do not have parking stickers for vehicles. Never.
Criminals will target a person, say a young lady at the grocery store and take note of the parking sticker "Resident of Such-n-Such" on her vehicle.

Now they know where she lives, and they know these complexes, and will know a complex has a parking deck.
Now they can stalk her better for a more evil crime than they might of had in mind at the grocery store.

What might have been a purse snatching, becomes a chance for rape, getting valuable from her apt, ....etc.
This deck is a great place to case a person, and the elevator is a prime place to catch her alone and force her into her apt .

Trust me on this, I know this method all to well.
It happens on complexes without a deck, with in front of apt parking as well.


Do not do a sticker. Not even a hang tag.
Criminals may be dumb, but not all are stupid.

One cannot change people, places and things, the only thing they can change is themselves and how they deal with life on lifes terms.

Let the insurance company and code enforcers go to bat for you and other tenants on beefing up security.

This is a really different Strategy & Tactic , still it seriously worth pursuing.
 
A sobering reminder of reality.

Thanks for relating the experience.
 
Parking garages have well-earned reputations as scenes for opportunist crimes like robberies.

They're dry places, usually dark, have a lot of foot traffic, with few and limited points of entry and exit. I can't really envision much of a more ideal place to hang out for a while, pick over the herd, and go take one down when the circumstances most favor the criminal.

That criminal can only hope that he doesn't mistake someone for vulnerable, who in fact is very alert to their surroundings and carrying a CCW. The more people that carry, the better off society is.
 
I wholeheartedly agree that situational awareness would've been key here.

I noticed that once I started carrying, that came naturally. I hope it would for others as well.

Rmeju
 
SA is fine but with limited access and plenty of hiding places you can get backed into a corner and cut-off from escape. I'd rather be drawing under cover then cowering until I'm shot.
 
Standing around?

[He was kinda-sorta paying attention, and as he walked by a guy standing around, was caught from behind, had a gun pointed in his face, and the guy demanded his wallet and laptop.
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First response, Speak to person, "How you doing?" look them right in the eye, my lap top case is a good strong one, in right hand an instant impact weapon.

In being in the walk by situation more than once, and never had any reaction other than "Fine" or "OK" If you can see hands, they are at least 6' away, normal reaction is, none, if they are up to no good, they wait for the next dopey bugger to come along.

Ancient Liverpool proverb, 5 lbs of lap top against face beats weapon not yet got from pocket!
 
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It is important when in isolated locations to greet strangers and make eye contact, then continue scanning area. Maintaining the zone of safety, six feet or so is important. It helps evaluate attitude. I had an encounter with two guys who did not respond when i greeted them and kept on coming towards me. So, it was clear that a problem was likely.

If the stranger needs to speak with you, it can be done at six feet. The greeting and eye contact can be hard if you are not a natually friendly person. I try to make my attitude upbeat and truly friendly. This takes a lot of energy.

I just wish more muggers were cute women. Sigh.
 
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The ASP street defender is a great thing to have in your left hand when walking to your car. Your keys are on the end of it so after you spray you can use it as an impact weapon. Your right hand is free to grab your CCW peice if you carry. That is what I do...

Might be worth suggesting to some of the people in your garage.

I honestly can't believe some of the residents stances on personal protection and situational awareness. I mean I understand wanting the management company to make sure that there is lighting, panic buttons and the like in the garage, but they will not stop the worst from happening.
 
Parking Garage 101

Blank off all hide away spots, under stair spaces, block up. Lots of white, bone white paint, top and sides, bright lights!

Form neighborhood watch group, post signs. Armed patrol Officers on site?

That's all.

Keep Safe.
 
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