Paterson reproduction?
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I have the model with the seperate loading lever. Great gun. Very accurate. Tough to take apart and put back together the first few times. Tends to jam from fouling - I switched to beeswax/paraffin lube pills and it works fine.
I just saw this one on Gunbroker, but the seller isn't selling the loading lever with it. They go for about $35.00.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=93020560
I just saw this one on Gunbroker, but the seller isn't selling the loading lever with it. They go for about $35.00.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=93020560
arcticap
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Our own fineredmist had a brand new one with a serious binding problem. He couldn't get it to fire more than twice without it binding up. So he sent it back to Uberti and they told him that they wouldn't fix his pistol and that it was discontinued.
So they sent him a brand new Dragoon in exchange for his Paterson, and now he's one happy camper.
He was very complimentary and pleased with the professional way that Uberti handled the whole ordeal because he's so happy with his new dragoon.
His complaint was initially described in this thread:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=272441
He then PM'd me several months later after he received the Dragoon. We've run into each other at our local range since then too and believe me, he's much happier shooting the Dragoon.
So I hope that other Paterson's don't have such a serious binding problem.
So they sent him a brand new Dragoon in exchange for his Paterson, and now he's one happy camper.
He was very complimentary and pleased with the professional way that Uberti handled the whole ordeal because he's so happy with his new dragoon.
His complaint was initially described in this thread:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=272441
He then PM'd me several months later after he received the Dragoon. We've run into each other at our local range since then too and believe me, he's much happier shooting the Dragoon.
So I hope that other Paterson's don't have such a serious binding problem.
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Timthinker
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Pohill, if I may ask, how accurate is accurate? Could you elaborate on the distances and groupings that have led you to consider the Patterson as accurate? I ask this question since I am not a great fan of the sighting system of Colt open frame revolvers. Perhaps target sights have spoiled me. I would appreciate some info if you do not mind. Thanks and good luck with your Patterson.
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The binding problem in my Paterson is similiar to the same problem I had with an Uberti Remington - actually worse. The cylinder would not rotate more than 3 or 4 shots until I switched to the beeswax-paraffin lube pills made by Wayne (Rifle). Now it's completely fine, but I do wipe down the cylinder pin after each 5 shots - might as well, since I have to pull the barrel off to load the gun.
As far as accuracy - the barrel is 9", the gun is light, it's a five shot .36 caliber, so the powder charges are light. Not much kick at all. I shoot mostly at targets in the snow or dirt, so I can't report on grouping sizes, but I usually hit or almost hit what I'm aiming at with this gun.
It's not an everyday shooter - it's too hard to take apart and clean. Removing the barrel to load can be a pain at first, but I like it now. I like Coors Light or Bud Light beer - a Paterson is more like a dark heavy beer that you have to acquire a taste for.
For cold weather shooting I usually reach for the Ruger Old Army or the Walker, guns with some size to their features to aid cold numb fingers. But the Paterson is a great addition to a BP collection. Just gotta have some patience and some technical know-how (I'm trying to get some of each).
I wish Uberti would have send me that Paterson they traded for a Dragoon.
This is how you load it - remove the barrel, load the powder and ball into the cylinders, put the end of the loading lever tool in the arbor slot and ram.
As far as accuracy - the barrel is 9", the gun is light, it's a five shot .36 caliber, so the powder charges are light. Not much kick at all. I shoot mostly at targets in the snow or dirt, so I can't report on grouping sizes, but I usually hit or almost hit what I'm aiming at with this gun.
It's not an everyday shooter - it's too hard to take apart and clean. Removing the barrel to load can be a pain at first, but I like it now. I like Coors Light or Bud Light beer - a Paterson is more like a dark heavy beer that you have to acquire a taste for.
For cold weather shooting I usually reach for the Ruger Old Army or the Walker, guns with some size to their features to aid cold numb fingers. But the Paterson is a great addition to a BP collection. Just gotta have some patience and some technical know-how (I'm trying to get some of each).
I wish Uberti would have send me that Paterson they traded for a Dragoon.
This is how you load it - remove the barrel, load the powder and ball into the cylinders, put the end of the loading lever tool in the arbor slot and ram.
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Pohill, thanks for the info-and the pic. I have heard Pattersons are a pain in terms of binding. I do not know if this problem is endemic to certain Patterson models or not. If you ever get an answer to this question, please let us know. Thanks again.
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Do a forum search for lube pills. That ought to bring it up.
two of them
I have a leverless one made in 1991 and a newly made one with a lever bought last year. Both started out problematic with the early one wearing in to the point that it is now very reliable. The levered one had zero barrel cylinder gap until I pushed some aluminum foil into the barrel assembly cavity that fits over the arbor. This created enough gap for the revolver to function without immediately tying up from fouling.
I got a separate loading tool with the first one but it snapped in two the first time I tried to seat a ball. I use a ball starter and the cylinder arbor to load it now. Both guns feel decidedly odd compared to more "modern" colt replicas but you can get some reasonable casual accuracy with them. They would not be good for a first and/or only bp revolver as navies, dragoons and such are much easier to use.
20 yards "duelist"
I have a leverless one made in 1991 and a newly made one with a lever bought last year. Both started out problematic with the early one wearing in to the point that it is now very reliable. The levered one had zero barrel cylinder gap until I pushed some aluminum foil into the barrel assembly cavity that fits over the arbor. This created enough gap for the revolver to function without immediately tying up from fouling.
I got a separate loading tool with the first one but it snapped in two the first time I tried to seat a ball. I use a ball starter and the cylinder arbor to load it now. Both guns feel decidedly odd compared to more "modern" colt replicas but you can get some reasonable casual accuracy with them. They would not be good for a first and/or only bp revolver as navies, dragoons and such are much easier to use.
20 yards "duelist"
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I know these were pretty much obsolete the time cartridges started being used, but were conversions ever done on these? I understand it would have been unusual. I'm not looking to have it done, just wondering if anyone knows of it being done.
Also, as an FYI, did ya'll know that the tv show Supernatural features a Colt Paterson as one of its primary props? On the show, it was built by Sam Colt the night the Alamo fell. In the story, Colt was a demon hunter, and this gun could kill anything.
Also, as an FYI, did ya'll know that the tv show Supernatural features a Colt Paterson as one of its primary props? On the show, it was built by Sam Colt the night the Alamo fell. In the story, Colt was a demon hunter, and this gun could kill anything.
DrLaw
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Think not
Never heard of a cartridge conversion for this gun as there were not that many that were ever made in the first place, they were supplanted by better guns later on that were more suited to cartidge conversions, and there were also cartridge revolvers out there anyway that would have made the need to convert relatively low. I have a feeling that there are more replica cartridge conversion guns now than were ever made in the 1800's.
The Doc is out now.
Never heard of a cartridge conversion for this gun as there were not that many that were ever made in the first place, they were supplanted by better guns later on that were more suited to cartidge conversions, and there were also cartridge revolvers out there anyway that would have made the need to convert relatively low. I have a feeling that there are more replica cartridge conversion guns now than were ever made in the 1800's.
The Doc is out now.
scrat
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Ok i have waited long enough.
Question Where is everyone getting these wooden loading blocks from. I really need to get one.
Question Where is everyone getting these wooden loading blocks from. I really need to get one.
Traditions is one place; I'm sure there are others:
http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Browse.asp
Do a search on 'loading/display stand'.
Note: searching for 'loading stand' will bring up the wrong product.
http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/eshop/10Browse.asp
Do a search on 'loading/display stand'.
Note: searching for 'loading stand' will bring up the wrong product.
The levered patersons made their way to Texas in 1842. According to R.L. Wilson ( I believe) Colt, an American Legend, Jack Hays was overjoyed because the new revolvers could be reloaded without getting down off the horse. It might have been another book
The Wilson book does have a picture of a cased set of the early leverless texas paterson. It has a pair of revolvers with extra cylinder for each for fast reloads and a 12 inch barrel for long range.
The Wilson book does have a picture of a cased set of the early leverless texas paterson. It has a pair of revolvers with extra cylinder for each for fast reloads and a 12 inch barrel for long range.
Actually I don't think reloading on horseback during the fight was part of the tactics. The cavalry attacked first with rifles from long range, then pistols between 25 and 100 yards, then sabres at close range.
Reloading on horseback AFTER the battle was probably where the loading lever was useful.
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looking for patterson copy for sale. If you know of one, please reply
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I recall seeing a photo of a Paterson that made the conversion from C&B to cartridges. Probably others were made but the revovler itself is not very robust and tended to break.
Conversions were a popular way to get the convenience of cartridges without buying a new revolver. Colts Model P was not available for civilian sales for many years so conversions were the only game in town during that time. They were not collected so much as the C&B revolvers and they were used more than the C&B revolvers so the survival rate is lower.
More than a few notable gunmen toted them.
As for more being made today then in the past, sure, same thing is true with most of the replicas. The Walker was a failure in it's day but they are selling like hotcakes now. Same with the Patersons. Also in this group could be included the Spiller & Burr and most confederate copies.
Conversions were a popular way to get the convenience of cartridges without buying a new revolver. Colts Model P was not available for civilian sales for many years so conversions were the only game in town during that time. They were not collected so much as the C&B revolvers and they were used more than the C&B revolvers so the survival rate is lower.
More than a few notable gunmen toted them.
As for more being made today then in the past, sure, same thing is true with most of the replicas. The Walker was a failure in it's day but they are selling like hotcakes now. Same with the Patersons. Also in this group could be included the Spiller & Burr and most confederate copies.
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Texas Rangers didn't have sabers. Closest thing would have been a bowie knife. Would have been last resort, considering Comanches would have been chucking arrows and spears/lances at you from out of arm's reach.
Most information I have found shows that they all carried spare cylinders with them. I have seen several accounts where they did dismount and reload their rifles and Pattersons, but no specifics were mentioned. Some of the accounts were vague on whether reloading was changing out cylinders or actually charging the chambers. I don't think they all had the later models with integral loading levers but had a mix of early Texas Navy surplus and later models purchased by themselves.
The SOP for the Rangers back in the day was usually to discharge their single-shot rifles from a steady position... if moving on horseback, there were usually several with double-barrel shotguns who discharged them first and then they switched to revolvers, firing only at very close range. It would not be considered impossible for them to reload a patterson on horseback, but probably only when stationary.
If that didn't work, they had a bowie knife and probably used the rifle or shotgun as a club. There was a reason why the Walker weighed so much, it makes for a pretty good head basher.
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Paterson Conversion
I do believe the Rangers Walker turned into Horse Pistol and the may have carried the Holster model No. 5 Paterson and a small backup pictured below.
Paterson cartridge conversion, gated w/ ejector ... at the time the price was $900 you supply the Uberti Paterson.
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I do believe the Rangers Walker turned into Horse Pistol and the may have carried the Holster model No. 5 Paterson and a small backup pictured below.
Paterson cartridge conversion, gated w/ ejector ... at the time the price was $900 you supply the Uberti Paterson.
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