Patriot Act fails to get votes for time being..

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I'm gonna be sick...

I've got Fox News playing in the background, talking about the "Patriot Act". One womand just stated

"If it keeps me safe, I have nothing to hide."

Thunderous applause by the studio audience.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Anybody know where I can book passage off planet? One of the wild colony worlds would be nice.

If we had any....
 
I think this quote from Benjamin Franklin says it all:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
 
"The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange" -Thomas Jefferson
 
Fellow patriots and Bush apologists – be aware and on the lookout for terrorists. Without this critical legislation they’ll know we’re weak and will seek to exploit those weaknesses. I’m going to sign off now and keep the binoculars glued to my eyes, watching…always watching.
 
"I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care," said Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001." From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_go_co/patriot_act

I don't get how this guy, (liberal from WI here) is always so concerned about civil liberties and yet is so staunchly anti-gun



Lots of good quotes in this thread. We are truly safer with regard to personal freedom and civil liberties without the Patriot Act.
 
dasmi said:
"The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange" -Thomas Jefferson
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Excellent find! I think if you read both quotes together, they make a powerful statement:

"The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange" - Thomas Jefferson

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
 
"I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care," said Feingold, the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001." From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/...co/patriot_act

I don't get how this guy, (liberal from WI here) is always so concerned about civil liberties and yet is so staunchly anti-gun
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Feingold isn't anti-gun. He may have voted for the original AWB but later admitted he was wrong, and voted AGAINST the renewal of the AWB last year. He is in general quite pro-gun, from what I have read.
 
How about these two quotes together?
"The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange" -Thomas Jefferson
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"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe." -U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, November 18, 1993
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Patriot Act sunset

jbear6 said:
I think this quote from Benjamin Franklin says it all:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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+1... Excellent quote, jbear. But I think the actual text ends with "...and shall have neither."

Cheers
 
And the nays were

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Clinton (D-NY)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Craig (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Wyden (D-OR)
 
benEzra said:
Feingold isn't anti-gun. He may have voted for the original AWB but later admitted he was wrong, and voted AGAINST the renewal of the AWB last year. He is in general quite pro-gun, from what I have read.
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I guess that's so. My mistake. But he does support some positions on guns that I don't agree with.
 
This is the text of the rather harsh message I sent to my senators - both of who voted to renew the abomination called the patriot act:
"The only way Governments can induce citizens to surrender their rights is convincing them that by doing so, they will gain a measure of safety in exchange" -Thomas Jefferson

Read the words of Mr. Jefferson and then hang your head in shame.

It truly saddens me that you voted to renew the Patriot Act an act that violates the basic freedoms of all Americans through out our history.

It seems that more and more the Republican party is abandoning the prinicpals upon which our nation was founded. And that's really too bad because that only leaves the Democrats who are even worse and 3rd parties to protect and restore our lost liberties.

Ben Franklin got it right when he said that those who choose to give up liberty to get security don't deserve either and usually get neither.

Welcome to Amerika...
You'll get no thanks from me for making it that way.
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Funny how the ones who voted for our freedoms were almost all Democrats. The ones who spit on the constitution this time were almost all Republican
 
lostone1413 said:
Funny how the ones who voted for our freedoms were almost all Democrats. The ones who spit on the constitution this time were almost all Republican
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well the dems weren't really voting for our freedoms, they were just voting as partisan hacks. the ones that deserve kudos for voting for our freedoms are the republicans that voted no.
 
I think I heard that the vote was to invoke clothure. Not to vote against the patriot act or extensions. (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

The upshot is that the extensions are dead for this session, but the underlying law remains in effect. So most of the stupidity is still on the books and the remaining will expire only until the critters get back in Jan.
 
lostone1413 said:
Funny how the ones who voted for our freedoms were almost all Democrats. The ones who spit on the constitution this time were almost all Republican
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I'm embarrassed to admit that I voted for Bush both times, I've always been a Republican. I don't know what I am now, I guess I'm just an American with no political ties. I have a bad feeling Bush has made it easier for Hillary to succeed him, if there is a United States of America left when he is finished. :fire:
 
Both of my Senators voted yea.


I'll be voting nay on both of them next election!

I don't want anyone making laws that will spit on our liberty this way.

Tom
 
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