Paul Castle and theCar shooting system

[para.2]

No, it makes me wonder why I waste bandwidth participating in this thread. I have said nothing demeaning, made no claim to "expertise", but asked questions and have been met with a "if you have to ask, you'll never know" attitude which helps no-one, except your ego. I'm out.

 

[El Tejon]

para, O.K. if the coppers won't talk to you about CAR, I'll talk to ya. What questions did you have?

After we talk, I can send you a magic decoder ring like the coppers have.

 

[DBK]

para.2 I wonder why too.

 

[clubsoda22]

first of, you don't have to learn it from "the man himself". Any street cop who was trained in it can show you the basics. Most cops that know have not been taught by castle, and have instead been taught by police instructors who have been taught by him. Everything about this system is based on the fact that it's easy to learn and use.

I don't like secrets either. The first time i found out about it was when i saw a cop at one of the ranges i was at using a funky stance and i asked him what the deal was. He showed me a couple things and that was it. There is nothing complicated about it. He didn't give me any crap like "NO! it's a super police secret! You don't have clearance!"

So the guy only teaches to law enforcement....maybe thats because he fills all his time up teaching law enforcement.

 

[para.2]

OK!
Back from burning a couple hundred rounds at the range, including very limited experimentation with CAR, instruction taken from stills/videos I was able to scrounge on the web. Now I have at least a few, specific questions, for those who offered/ are willing to share:
(feel free to IM or E-mail responses, if desired, though it might be valuable to post them here for general consumption.)

-My understanding is there are 3 basic positions, High, Extended, and...what? Any description/illustration of this would be appreciated.

-The extended position seems useful for aimed fire out to 15 or so yards, the high seems to be a very limited distance technique ( contact to 5-6 ft.),is that it?

-Related to the above, My high position groups, even at 1-2 yards, were about belly button level, fast, and acceptably tight, but lower than I'd like. Am I missing something? Is this normal? or does it just take experimentation, and "muscle memory"?

That should get us started, if we can keep the trolls at bay.

 

[sanchezero]

para, I've done the same thing you're doing now since I'm not LEO or in the military anymore.

I found that in the retention (high) position I could adjust my impact by shifting my shooting elbow. I guess it'd just become a matter of training the index at that point.

 

[clubsoda22]

para, the high position is for retention. It's not meant to be used at any distance greater than 2 yards. It for when the BG is right on top of you and trying to grab your gun.

Did you try any quick bursts of fire in the extended position? I found it to be very impressive in that regard.

 

[para.2]

clubsoda: Yes, after watching the videos available, I realized that the whole system revolves around "bursts", not just double/triple/pairs/ whatever. As I said, extended seems to work well for that to 15 or so meters.

Sanchezero: I'm not an LEO, nor do I play one on THR. I did 20 plus years jumping out of perfectly good aircraft while in flight, and now try to keep up on my own with the profession of arms. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll try it next range session.

Keep 'em coming, guys!

 

[clubsoda22]

Bursts, double, tripple...anyway, the stance has some potential.

 

[Island Beretta]

CAR is a good CQB system, but so are a number of others. Go with the one that works for you. We are all humans and unique in our own right, so it's foolish to attack something if it doesn't work for you..move on and find one that does.

I find CAR to enable rapid target acquisition at close range and in cramped quarters but for longer distances and more rapid fire it deterioates for me..it may not for you..

 

[Average Guy]

FYI: http://www.pointshooting.com/carmag.htm

 

[ceetee]

Also FYI:


http://www.sabretactical.com/C_A_R_/Video_Clips/video_clips.html

It looks to me like a valid way to get rounds on target. The key to any "System" is practice. And more practice. And more practice...

Jeff Cooper once said that as much as he tried, as much as he practiced the Weaver stance, he never once beat Weaver himself... Just like I'll never take my 686 and beat Miculek...