Yuck Mouth
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Pennsylvania ALERT!!!!! Check it out!!
http://www.acslpa.org/alerts/HB1791.htm
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PA State Legistature
Start writing!
http://www.acslpa.org/alerts/HB1791.htm
Actual text:
PA State Legistature
Start writing!
Pennsylvania ALERT!!!!!
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Preacherman
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Pennsylvania THR members, I think this is really important. I'm going to "float" it at the top of the forum for a few days to ensure that it gets attention. Please act!
I'm going to copy this thread to Legal & Political too, for wider exposure.
I'm going to copy this thread to Legal & Political too, for wider exposure.
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Monte Harrison
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This part of laws like this is always telling:
"6186. Exemptions.
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(3) Handguns purchased by police departments, sheriffs and law enforcement officers and members of the armed forces of the United States and the Commonwealth.
(4) Handguns possessed by law enforcement officers on official assignment in this Commonwealth from any state which by agreement permits police officers from this Commonwealth while on assignment in that state to carry firearms without registration.
(5) Handguns that are a part of the official equipment of any Federal agency."
"6186. Exemptions.
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(3) Handguns purchased by police departments, sheriffs and law enforcement officers and members of the armed forces of the United States and the Commonwealth.
(4) Handguns possessed by law enforcement officers on official assignment in this Commonwealth from any state which by agreement permits police officers from this Commonwealth while on assignment in that state to carry firearms without registration.
(5) Handguns that are a part of the official equipment of any Federal agency."
Nathaniel Firethorn
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This legislation, as I've said before, metastasized out of New Jersey, where the NRA blew it twice: by writing off PRNJ so they could show it to the rest of the nation as a bad example, and by trusting Jim McGreasy to keep his word.
Just as valid in 2003 as it was in 1936.
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Just as valid in 2003 as it was in 1936.
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metastasized out of New Jersey, where the NRA blew it twice: by writing off PRNJ
It would be wise to not make the same mistake in PA- which for the rest of the state would be writing off Philadelphia.
It was Philadelphia that lost the state to Algore in the 2000 election; it was Philadelphia that got anti Ed Rendell into the governor's office- where he and his cronies can now push NJ style idiot gun laws.
This is a dangerous situation.
It would be wise to not make the same mistake in PA- which for the rest of the state would be writing off Philadelphia.
It was Philadelphia that lost the state to Algore in the 2000 election; it was Philadelphia that got anti Ed Rendell into the governor's office- where he and his cronies can now push NJ style idiot gun laws.
This is a dangerous situation.
gun-fucious
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i have been advised that the bill is dead before it hits the floor
Nathaniel Firethorn
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Won't be the end of it even if that's true. As in PRNJ, it will be reintroduced every session until it gets passed.
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RAY WOODROW 3RD
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dead before it hits the floor.......
gun-fucious
We had the same belief in New Jersey when Collins (R) held up the bill for about 4 years and wouldn't let it on the floor. Guess what? It came back when the regime change happened.
PA brothers, DO NOT TAKE THIS LAW FOR GRANTED!
The NRA told us that it was dead also then they recieved the full shaft up the you know where from the Governor and friends.
As I always say to people that bad mouth us and make fun of us,
"New Jersey Laws. Comming to a State near you!"
You need to organize and send a petition and write your legiscritters and anything else you can think of so they will know not to ever bring up this subject again!
gun-fucious
We had the same belief in New Jersey when Collins (R) held up the bill for about 4 years and wouldn't let it on the floor. Guess what? It came back when the regime change happened.
PA brothers, DO NOT TAKE THIS LAW FOR GRANTED!
The NRA told us that it was dead also then they recieved the full shaft up the you know where from the Governor and friends.
As I always say to people that bad mouth us and make fun of us,
"New Jersey Laws. Comming to a State near you!"
You need to organize and send a petition and write your legiscritters and anything else you can think of so they will know not to ever bring up this subject again!
Mark Tyson
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Oh I'm getting a headache. The do-gooders are turning America into a plantation one state at a time.
Yuck Mouth
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It doesn't matter! You should still write and let them know how you feel about this stuff.
Magnum PI
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I LOVE IT!!
Fairly soon when all the states become "smart gun" states like the PRNJ, I won't feel like my rights are being violated!!!
PA better FLUSH this junk down the toilet!!!!!!!
Fairly soon when all the states become "smart gun" states like the PRNJ, I won't feel like my rights are being violated!!!
PA better FLUSH this junk down the toilet!!!!!!!
alan
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First I've heard of this can of worms. Thanks for the "heads up". Will get onto my "elected things" tomorrow a.m.
SodaPop
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I won't take it for granted, but the Democrat controlled Philadelphia CCW laws were tossed out a few years ago and the Constitution prevailed. Our present Governor has his hands tied and really can't push for much of anything at the moment.
Pennsylvania will be a battle ground State for years to come..............
powerstrk
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Since when did Pennsylvania become the capital of Chicago?
jimpeel
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gun-fucious
I believe it was the Brady Bill that was dead on the floor when the Senate went home for, I believe, the Thanksgiving holiday which left three -- count 'em, three -- Senators on the floor, one of which was Bob Dole; and they voted, all three of them, to reinstate and pass the legislation which became law under the pen of president William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. Doncha just love those parliamentary procedures? Do we have a Parliament?
alan
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Soda Pop wrote in part, the following:
I won't take it for granted, but the Democrat controlled Philadelphia CCW laws were tossed out a few years ago and the Constitution prevailed. Our present Governor has his hands tied and really can't push for much of anything at the moment.
For whatever that conclusion might be worth, perhaps so, but what of his fellow anti-gunners in The Legislature?
alan
I won't take it for granted, but the Democrat controlled Philadelphia CCW laws were tossed out a few years ago and the Constitution prevailed. Our present Governor has his hands tied and really can't push for much of anything at the moment.
For whatever that conclusion might be worth, perhaps so, but what of his fellow anti-gunners in The Legislature?
alan
alan
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JimPeel"
Yes sir, I'm fairly certain that some of us evil minded folks remember Senator Dole, that great friend of law abiding gun owners, who recently has been seen stalking the jungle trails, in defense of VIAGRA.
Yes sir, I'm fairly certain that some of us evil minded folks remember Senator Dole, that great friend of law abiding gun owners, who recently has been seen stalking the jungle trails, in defense of VIAGRA.
SJG26
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ID and remove the sponsors.......
Regardless if the Bill is DOA---------the sponsors would seek to deny us our rights and disarm us. Their names are now known and actions are required to see they never hold public office again...........................
Regardless if the Bill is DOA---------the sponsors would seek to deny us our rights and disarm us. Their names are now known and actions are required to see they never hold public office again...........................
alan
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response to SJG26's post
SJG26
They are herewith identified, at least the sponsors of H.B. 1791.
PRINTER'S NO. 2321
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THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA
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HOUSE BILL
No. 1791 Session of 2003
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INTRODUCED BY ROONEY, WASHINGTON, THOMAS, JOSEPHS, CURRY,
WATERS, BEBKO-JONES, JAMES, KIRKLAND, FRANKEL, CORRIGAN,
MELIO AND WEBER, JULY 1, 2003
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REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, JULY 1, 2003
Frankel is from Pittsburgh. I believe that the others, most of them anyhow, are from "back East".
Elections are in November, 2004, not tomorrow, but not all that far in the future. Primaries, of course, come prior to that. In any event, I suspect that the sponsors of 1791, and similar minded members of the legislaturte are betting on the public's notoriously short attention span and memory. We very badly need to show them how wrong they are, in the process, returning these "public servants" to the pleasures of "private life".
SJG26
They are herewith identified, at least the sponsors of H.B. 1791.
PRINTER'S NO. 2321
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THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA
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HOUSE BILL
No. 1791 Session of 2003
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INTRODUCED BY ROONEY, WASHINGTON, THOMAS, JOSEPHS, CURRY,
WATERS, BEBKO-JONES, JAMES, KIRKLAND, FRANKEL, CORRIGAN,
MELIO AND WEBER, JULY 1, 2003
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REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, JULY 1, 2003
Frankel is from Pittsburgh. I believe that the others, most of them anyhow, are from "back East".
Elections are in November, 2004, not tomorrow, but not all that far in the future. Primaries, of course, come prior to that. In any event, I suspect that the sponsors of 1791, and similar minded members of the legislaturte are betting on the public's notoriously short attention span and memory. We very badly need to show them how wrong they are, in the process, returning these "public servants" to the pleasures of "private life".
chaim
Member
Wow, I always thought PA was decent on guns. This law is bad. I don't just mean bad because it is anti-gun, but it is worse than many other "smart gun" laws:
So there is a four year grace period after the passage of the law before dealers have to stock "smart guns" (see first quoted paragraph) but if you buy anything in that period that isn't a "smart gun" you will have to give it up after the law takes effect or you become a criminal (see second quoted paragraph)!
Worse, the exact wording here again is that "handguns manufactured prior to four years from the date of the adoption of the original safety standard" are exempt.
Note that according to the current wording dealers will have four years to switch over after passage, however exemption for ownership goes only to guns that were made four years or more before passage! Even if it isn't interpreted as written not all non-"smart guns" sold before the law is enforced will be legal. The dealers again have four years that they can sell "regular guns" and can technically do so the day before they must switch but any guns you own less that were made less than four years from when the law takes effect (most permissive reading) will be illegal. Thus guns you bought two or even three years before might become illegal.
That is bad if a PA resident can legally buy a gun in PA and a couple years later become a criminal if he keeps it. Also, what about people who move to PA a few years after the law becomes effective? What if someone buys a gun in their home state and then has to move (say for work) to PA? They lose their gun or become a criminal!!! This is bad.
As bad as MD laws are (in addition to all the nasty laws we deal with that are currently in effect, we too have a "smart gun law" when once they are determined by some state commission to be available they are all that is legal) they tend to only effect new sales. You don't become a criminal one day for owning something that was legal the day before. If you bought it legally it is legal even if it is no longer legal to buy under new laws.
In fact, if I moved out of state and bought some guns and accessories that were illegal in MD (new guns without built-in locks, certain "assult pistols", magazines with a capacity of greater than 20 rounds, etc.) I could legally own them and possess them if I moved back to MD even though I couldn't buy them as a resident of MD (and if I move back owning such items I couldn't sell them again while in MD of course). Again, if I buy something legally, even buying things as a resident of another state that couldn't be bought in MD if I was a resident here at the time, it is legal for me to own it even though it would be illegal to buy here under MD laws.
Note that possession, not only sale and transfer is covered but possession is covered as well.
So there is a four year grace period after the passage of the law before dealers have to stock "smart guns" (see first quoted paragraph) but if you buy anything in that period that isn't a "smart gun" you will have to give it up after the law takes effect or you become a criminal (see second quoted paragraph)!
Worse, the exact wording here again is that "handguns manufactured prior to four years from the date of the adoption of the original safety standard" are exempt. Note that according to the current wording dealers will have four years to switch over after passage, however exemption for ownership goes only to guns that were made four years or more before passage! Even if it isn't interpreted as written not all non-"smart guns" sold before the law is enforced will be legal. The dealers again have four years that they can sell "regular guns" and can technically do so the day before they must switch but any guns you own less that were made less than four years from when the law takes effect (most permissive reading) will be illegal. Thus guns you bought two or even three years before might become illegal.
That is bad if a PA resident can legally buy a gun in PA and a couple years later become a criminal if he keeps it. Also, what about people who move to PA a few years after the law becomes effective? What if someone buys a gun in their home state and then has to move (say for work) to PA? They lose their gun or become a criminal!!! This is bad.
As bad as MD laws are (in addition to all the nasty laws we deal with that are currently in effect, we too have a "smart gun law" when once they are determined by some state commission to be available they are all that is legal) they tend to only effect new sales. You don't become a criminal one day for owning something that was legal the day before. If you bought it legally it is legal even if it is no longer legal to buy under new laws.
In fact, if I moved out of state and bought some guns and accessories that were illegal in MD (new guns without built-in locks, certain "assult pistols", magazines with a capacity of greater than 20 rounds, etc.) I could legally own them and possess them if I moved back to MD even though I couldn't buy them as a resident of MD (and if I move back owning such items I couldn't sell them again while in MD of course). Again, if I buy something legally, even buying things as a resident of another state that couldn't be bought in MD if I was a resident here at the time, it is legal for me to own it even though it would be illegal to buy here under MD laws.
alan
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Chaim:
PA is fairly good concerning guns, however nothing is "perfect", and here, like other places. not every horses *** is found at the hind end of yonder horse.
I spoke with Dan Frankel yesterday, he returned my call, and he isn't "my" assembly critter, He allowed that the bill, he is one of it's sponsors, isn't at all likely to go anywhere, however as I see things, that isn't the point. The people who sponsored such foolishness and like minded others have acted in a manner that is violative of their oaths of office. On that basis alone, they should be returned to the pleasures of "private life".
How are you people in Maryland getting on these days?
PA is fairly good concerning guns, however nothing is "perfect", and here, like other places. not every horses *** is found at the hind end of yonder horse.
I spoke with Dan Frankel yesterday, he returned my call, and he isn't "my" assembly critter, He allowed that the bill, he is one of it's sponsors, isn't at all likely to go anywhere, however as I see things, that isn't the point. The people who sponsored such foolishness and like minded others have acted in a manner that is violative of their oaths of office. On that basis alone, they should be returned to the pleasures of "private life".
How are you people in Maryland getting on these days?
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