Pensylvania: "Monster handgun used in wounding of sleeping boy"

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http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/5371422.htm

Posted on Wed, Mar. 12, 2003

Monster handgun used in
wounding of sleeping boy
By CATHERINE LUCEY & GLORIA CAMPISI

It's a big, bad lethal piece - the shiny, chrome .50-caliber Desert Eagle handgun which makers proudly brag was used in an episode of "The Sopranos."

But watch what happens with the gun in real life in Philly.

This weekend that same firearm was likely used to shoot 12-year-old Jonathan Quintana who was sleeping in a van in North Philadelphia. The force was so powerful that the bullet ripped through the vehicle and into Jonathan's back.

The pricey Israeli-made semi-automatic is unusual on the city's streets, police said.

Still, it might be the new weapon of choice for thugs.

"That's a nasty gun," said Capt. Len Ditchkofsky, of East Detectives. "We get our share of weapons down here - everything from machine guns to handguns. Never seen a handgun that big."

The weapon was used early Sunday, when gunfire broke out on a North Philadelphia corner. Police say the shootout was over drugs.

When this happened, Jonathan was sleeping in a van on the street, while his father unloaded supplies from a birthday party. The boy was hit by a stray slug. He is now in hospital awaiting surgery.

A second victim, Israel Perez, 19, was in the street during the gunfire and was struck in the hip. He was treated and released.

Cops say two men are responsible for the shooting.

James G. Hendricks, 21, was arrested yesterday and charged with attempted murder.

Police are still looking for Joan Vazquez, 26, who they say owned the weapon that shot Jonathan. Police found two handguns, a .50-caliber and a .45-caliber, in Vazquez's apartment on Pale-

thorp Street near Berks. A source said he has a lengthy record and a prior murder arrest.

The .50-caliber handgun they found fits the description of the hefty Desert Eagle, which weighs about five pounds and is the most powerful and one of the most expensive pistols on the market today. It typically costs between $1,100 and $1,800.

The makers, Magnum Research Inc., market it as a cool, sexy weapon.

President John Risdahl said in a 1994 interview, "This is what we think a neat-looking gun should look like. Movie Directors, rappers, hunters, shooters happen to agree with us, I think in that, we have distinctive looking gun."

When they first debuted on the market about a decade ago, gun proponents said the Desert Eagle wouldn't be a problem in inner cities because of its size and cost.

But gun control advocates disagree, and this weekend's shooting proves their point.

"There's little attention paid to the real world effect of putting these guns in the marketplace," said Josh Sugermann, the executive director of the Violence Policy Center. "There is an appeal to having the largest weapon you can buy."

Sugarmann's group advocates a ban on handguns, so that events like this would no longer happen.

Gun rights groups say a ban is not the answer.

"I don't think anybody wants to see innocent children being shot down in the street. Nobody is advocating the right of the drug dealer to have guns," said Jon S. Mirowitz, a lawyer who represented Keystone Citizens for the Preservation of Rights on a state committee that stiffened penalties for the illegal use of firearms in the mid-90s.

He said pro-gun groups advocate "responsible gun ownership."

Still, Sugermann said, "If you live in an apartment in Philadelphia, the last thing you want is your neighbor to own a Desert Eagle for self defense. The bullet is going to pass right through your wall."

Staff writer Regina Medina contributed to this report.
 
Still, it might be the new weapon of choice for thugs.

I thought .50 BMG rifles, .500 S&W revolvers, "assault" rifles, Saturday night specials and "pocket rockets" were the weapon of choice for thugs?
 
How could one victim be hit in the hip and then treated and released? With a weapon as big, mean and devastating as this is made out to be I would have thought if the round would even have nicked his shoestring it would have taken both legs off at least to his hips or more!:rolleyes:
 
Too bad about the kid, and no excuse for the thugs, but a .22 will go thru the sheet metal of a car or van and wound some one, too.

Just more ant-gun hysteria, they need to deal with the criminal, quit harping on the instrumentatility, it's a peripheral issue.
 
Story aside, did this guy REALLY say this:

President John Risdahl said in a 1994 interview, "This is what we think a neat-looking gun should look like. Movie Directors, rappers, hunters, shooters happen to agree with us, I think in that, we have distinctive looking gun."
 
Notice how one incident "proves" the anti-gunners point, but millions of successful defensive uses each year are (according to them) meaningless.
 
Obviously, it's a "safer" gun than most others. Two shot, but only wounded.

I thought they were claiming handguns that big would vaporize people and put new earth visible craters in the moon.
 
Do these "news" outlets have Sugarmann on their effing speed-dial or what? :fire:

- Gabe
 
Was this in the opinion/editorial section? I sure hope so.
It hasn't even been substantiated if the DE was the weapon used.
 
D.E./higher price=more evil Gun???

If the weapon had been a Hi-Point, the reporter would have characterized it as "Another example of how these cheap Saturday Night Specials are killing innocent people". Same old bias...different spin.
 
Sugarmann's group advocates a ban on handguns, so that events like this would no longer happen.

:lightbulb: Of course! That's the answer! I've been searching so long for the path to world peace and there it is, straight up and staring me right in the face. I can't believe I never saw it before!

:barf:
 
The force was so powerful that the bullet ripped through the vehicle and into Jonathan's back.
I wonder if they know that most any firearm will go through the sheetmetal in vehicles. :banghead:
 
"The pricey Israeli-made semi-automatic is unusual on the city's streets, police said.

Still, it might be the new weapon of choice for thugs."

You know it. A firearm that has been in circulation for 11 or 12 years is going to become the choice of criminals now, a firearm that costs over a thousand in a store, and on the street would likely have an even higher price (unless hot). Highly identifiable, high starting cost, unique ammo... yep, choice of criminals. Get ‘em off the street (read: pass more laws that remove them from private ownership and make you look good for another election). Sad thing is, they are wicked looking guns, and therefore nobody would raise too much ruckus. Except us of course. :D

"Sugarmann's group advocates a ban on handguns, so that events like this would no longer happen."

Good thing Joe Blow crack dealer carefully adheres to all laws, especially those concerning weapon restrictions. Otherwise, that statement might just seem ****ing idiotic.

Still, Sugermann said, "If you live in an apartment in Philadelphia, the last thing you want is your neighbor to own a Desert Eagle for self defense. The bullet is going to pass right through your wall."

I look to Sugermann for all my ballistics questions. Want to know the penetration of your load, want to know the lethality of your hollow point? Don't research it, don't get into those messy facts. Sugermann has the answer! "They will all kill thy neighbor!"

Mostly though, I love the tone and focus of the whole article. Who cares if it was a drug dealer shooting it out in a street, who cares if he was a career criminal, with a long rap sheet. Who cares if he was a prior murder arrest, and was still WALKING FREE ON THE STREETS? It's the gun that did this evil! Forget tough penalties, forget cracking down on these men. Get rid of the gun!
 
As pointed out, most any handgun would have penetrated the vehicle, with something like 9mm ball actually making it further. Weapon of choice? How the heck are you gonna run, hold up your baggy pants and six pound gun at the same time? Do they make thunderwear for that thing?

Josh Sugarpuss. Is there any gun he doesn't think is evil? How does this man's brain work. I mean seriously I try to think like him and it makes my head hurt. I used to think that men like him adopted their viewpoints like he has to stay in the good graces of their radical leftist female companions, a few touchy feely feelings to go with the touchy-feely haircut, clothes, and glasses. Now I think they really believe what they spout. How can their male primal roles be that suppressed? Would testosterone supplements help? Raw red meat? Something, anything! Not to be too un-PC, if he's gotta go I hope it's in a car crash or as a medical malpractice victim, I'd hate to see one of these clowns martyr themselves to their own faulty statistics. .
 
When they first debuted on the market about a decade ago, gun proponents said the Desert Eagle wouldn't be a problem in inner cities because of its size and cost. But gun control advocates disagree, and this weekend's shooting proves their point.
"That's a nasty gun," said Capt. Len Ditchkofsky, of East Detectives. "We get our share of weapons down here - everything from machine guns to handguns. Never seen a handgun that big."

Sounds to me like only one incident in "about a decade" proves the point that the DE isn't a problem.
 
Yeah, better equip the gangsters with really 'outdated' models like the concealable CZ 52 with it's 'metal piecing' 7.62x25 chambering.

Jeeze... now I know why they wear baggy clothes - they have to conceal a DE 50AE.
 
I see the names of three people responsible for the content of that article and whoever was the editor who need a severe gludial beating. There is absolutely no reason to tollerate this kind of reporting. If questions about their motives in preparing this type of garbage doesn't get a change for better facts, it is clue by four time.
 
Had this Desert Eagle been used in a self defense situation to save the life of a law abiding citizen would the story have made the press. Me thinks not. When you smell anti bias just reverse the situation and ask yourself if the story would have gotten the same amount of press and would the story be reported is a positive or negative manner.
 
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