Phoenix Police know if you have a CCW?

[Yo Mama]

I was listening to the scanner, (thanks for the radioreference link someone), and heard an Office saying on record that the person they pulled over has a CCW permit and is probably armed.

Do the police have access immediately via computer on the status of a citizen including CCW?

 

[RightCoastBiased]

I do not have an answer. But perhaps call Phoenix PD and ask?

 

[pharmer]

The database used to be public record. Local Orlando TV published an Excel spreadsheet with all the names a few years back. They were penalized and the list went away but I can't believe the cops would not have access to that info. Joe

 

[NMBrian]

I know here in New Mexico, they actually use your DMV photo for your License. Which makes me assume, that yes, the police have easy access to those records.

I was under the impression that in AZ you didnt need a license to CCW?

 

[ny32182]

I understand in some states if the registered owner of the car has a CCW, they will see it when they run the licence plate.

Of course if someone other than the owner is driving the car, this isn't really going to tell you anything... so basically, it doesn't tell you anything.

The longer I live, the more I think the entire permit idea is a total waste of time, along with "requirement to notify" laws... etc. The entire thing is built on the idea that someone who intends to shoot a cop will verbally inform the cop of this fact first. Completely nonsensical.

 

[209]

Don't know about AZ. Some states have their CCW permits linked with registered vehicle owners and driver license returns when a cop runs it. Some don't and it can require an additional database search. Then there are some states that don't allow cops to run any search of permits at all in real time.

For instance, one of the Carolina's (don't remember which off-hand) gives all of the normal info on a reg check plus any handicap permit issued. I can't honestly remember getting any CCW info back on an out-of-state inquiry, but the state may block it from interstate inquiries.

Now you have me curious. I've have to look at it. For the most part, I wouldn't care if CT did it (they don't at the moment). I always feel much safer knowing the person is a CCW. I tend to think they're pretty much law-abiding and not a threat. Neither is their gun as it's under the control of said non-threatening, law-abiding citizen- not that guns take upon themselves to run amok. Unless you read the news of course; they portray guns doing all kinds of evil things.

If I stop someone and they hand me their permit with the lic and reg, the biggest question is usually, "What do you carry?" But I'm a gun guy who likes guns and likes talking about them. I'm finding more and more officers who aren't and don't. I'm obviously getting old... at least around here.

 

[marlin.357]

Arizona is a "Constitutional Carry" state.....no permit required for CCW.

 

[armoredman]

We still issue CCW permits for those who want them, for reciprocity and to eliminate the Brady check, but no, you don't need a permit to carry, openly or concealed, whatever you want to carry. I don't know if it's linked to vehicle tags, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[BlisteringSilence]

I was listening to the scanner, (thanks for the radioreference link someone), and heard an Office saying on record that the person they pulled over has a CCW permit and is probably armed.

Do the police have access immediately via computer on the status of a citizen including CCW?

I can't speak for other states. In Arkansas, CHL status (active or expired) comes back when your DL is run or if you are queried by name. It's not linked to the plates in any way.

 

[Blackrock]

Right now Phoenix and Maricopa County are on high alert for any and all potential criminal activity and are using all available resources at their hands to aid in their efforts to fight crime. You can bet your CCW is in the DMV database. Good? or Bad? Do you think Julio and Pedro are carrying? Do they have a CCW?
By getting the heads up that the owner of the vehicle they have just stopped has a CCW odds are they have a LAW ABIDING citizen.

 

[FourTeeFive]

I've always been surprised that in Washington state the LEO's don't seem to know (or care?) that you have a CPL. Any time I've been pulled over for a traffic issue it has never come up. There is no requirement to inform in WA.

 

[Mike1234567]

My predicition is (and I'm certain of this) one day soon police dash cameras will have automated license plate recognition which will alert LEOs of pertinent data about the driver. The cameras will be continuously linked to a central database. I'm certain that CCW will show up automatically as well as any offenses/warrants. There will surely be a few LEOs who disagree with 2A who might pull people over (with some other excuse) just because their plates came up "CCW". This isn't police bashing... I'm just saying there are a few bad apples in any profession. The vast majority won't abuse this system but some will. And, yes, I consider this invasion of privacy but.....

 

[BlisteringSilence]

My predicition is (and I'm certain of this) one day soon police dash cameras will have automated license plate recognition which will alert LEOs of pertinent data about the driver. The cameras will be continuously linked to a central database. I'm certain that CCW will show up automatically as well as any offenses/warrants. There will surely be a few LEOs who disagree with 2A who might pull people over (with some other excuse) just because their plates came up "CCW". This isn't police bashing... I'm just saying there are a few bad apples in any profession. The vast majority won't abuse this system but some will. And, yes, I consider this invasion of privacy but.....

Not to knock a good conspiracy theory, but there are a couple of holes here.

1. You assume that all cars will have dash cameras. And that they will work all the time. This is just not the case. They're expensive, electronic, and they spend their lives in a harsh environment where they're barely taken care of.

2. You assume that the "central" database in question will always be available for querying. I don't know the exact uptime stats for the NCIC database, but I'd guess its around 70%

3. You assume that there is a way for a camera system to have a continuous data link with the "central" database. I don't know if you spend much time outside of town, but that's just not the case either. I know of 50-odd places in just my county where I can't make a phone call or get out on my radio, let alone get on the internet.

4. You assume that there is a way to link together 4 different databases in a way that is robust, reliable, and actually works. Right now, for me to get a CHL status from a license plate takes 4 or 5 minutes if dispatch isn't busy. Even eliminating the human element, it won't be fast.

5. Assuming that you have a bad apple who is going to pull you over based on a hit from a camera system, that means the camera system is operational, and that he will have to come up with some actual probable cause to pull you over. And PC isn't an excuse. It is defined in statute and case law.

 

[Mike1234567]

^^^ Hence my predicition, "one day soon". Soon, to me, is within 10 years.

 

[scottgun]

That technology is here, for parking enforcement. It won't be long before its adapted the way you describe.

That's thanks to the recent introduction of the AutoVu system - a vehicle-mounted camera that can recognize license plates as fast as a parking officer is driving, at angles as sharp as 90 degrees.

...

The system is mounted on a city-owned Toyota Rav-4 SUV, and includes an integrated computer system that compares license plates that the vehicle passes to a database of parking scofflaws. It can also pick out vehicles that have been parked too long in pay-to-park or neighborhood parking zones

http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-county-news/ci_18384625

 

[Mike1234567]

^^^ Well... alrighty then. I'm probably right!!

 

[FourTeeFive]

These recognition systems are ridiculous in terms of enforcing laws.

So much for having the right to face your accuser...

 

[ny32182]

Not to knock a good conspiracy theory, but there are a couple of holes here.

1. You assume that all cars will have dash cameras. And that they will work all the time. This is just not the case. They're expensive, electronic, and they spend their lives in a harsh environment where they're barely taken care of.

2. You assume that the "central" database in question will always be available for querying. I don't know the exact uptime stats for the NCIC database, but I'd guess its around 70%

3. You assume that there is a way for a camera system to have a continuous data link with the "central" database. I don't know if you spend much time outside of town, but that's just not the case either. I know of 50-odd places in just my county where I can't make a phone call or get out on my radio, let alone get on the internet.

4. You assume that there is a way to link together 4 different databases in a way that is robust, reliable, and actually works. Right now, for me to get a CHL status from a license plate takes 4 or 5 minutes if dispatch isn't busy. Even eliminating the human element, it won't be fast.

5. Assuming that you have a bad apple who is going to pull you over based on a hit from a camera system, that means the camera system is operational, and that he will have to come up with some actual probable cause to pull you over. And PC isn't an excuse. It is defined in statute and case law.

Very little of this is even slightly difficult given enough money to dump into the project. The database could even reside within the car, and even without a real time connection, could be at most, 24 hours old if it were updated every time the car was parked.

 

[Yo Mama]

I was under the impression that in AZ you didnt need a license to CCW?

Arizona is a "Constitutional Carry" state.....no permit required for CCW.

You still need a CCW in three important locations:

1. bar, while not drinking
2. mountain preserves occasionally require depending on location
3. school zone

In the school zone you are even able to enter the parking lot with a weapon.

Many here have continued to get their CCW due to these three areas.

We also have the new duty to warn the officer of a gun in the car, where before we didn't.

 

[LiquidTension]

It varies by state whether or not the CWP shows up when you run a license. Here in SC it does not. I ran someone from out of state one time (TN? dont remember) and it did show up. Also the formatting for each state is different which is a real pain.

 

[danprkr]

In TX yes. Not sure if it extends to license plate level, but if you just hand over your driver's license it is linked to your CHL and the cops will know. And since we're a shall report state (sort of) they may be ticked.

 

[JohnBiltz]

To answer the OP, CCW is linked to your plates and I imagine your drivers license. They told us in my CCW class that if you are pulled over it will show up to the officers automatically. This was before Constitutional Carry was passed. People still get CCWs even though Constitutional Carry is the law. CCWs can carry in a few circumstances where others can't mainly because of the wording in the bills that allowed it was written for CCW before Constitutional Carried existed. The other reason to get it is so you can carry in other states. I plan on renewing mine. Its a lot easier to buy a gun with one as well since they don't have to do a background check on you.

 

[wheelgun6T9]

Here in VA they apparently can see it. Couple years ago I was shooting at a buddy's place (has a bunch of acres...has a safe backstop...all that jazz) but a neighbor called the county police for the noise. They showed up in the backyard and asked us to put down the rifles to talk to us. They then asked for the "one that has the carry permit"- which was me. They wanted my CCW secured for the conversation as well. Nice guys & told us to pipe down.

The only way they would have known I had a carry permit was if they ran my tags from the car in the driveway. kind of a long story to get to that

 

[catnphx]

You still need a CCW in three important locations:

1. bar, while not drinking
2. mountain preserves occasionally require depending on location
3. school zone

In the school zone you are even able to enter the parking lot with a weapon.

Many here have continued to get their CCW due to these three areas.

We also have the new duty to warn the officer of a gun in the car, where before we didn't.

We also have the new duty to warn the officer of a gun in the car, where before we didn't.

I don't think this is accurate Yo Mama ... not from what I've read. I was under the impression that we didn't have to information in AZ.

 

[Twiki357]

I'm not sure if "duty to inform" was part of the law that eliminated the CCW requirement here in AZ. But when I took the certification class, that was one of the most emphized things was to inform. In practical application, the two times that I have been stopped, "Do you have any firearms in the car?" was the first thing asked. Even though a CCW is not manditory in AZ since July 2010, to me, it's still a benefit to have it, especially when purchasing a gun.

As for the license plate cameras, Phoenix PD and/or Maricopa County has been using them to read plates to ID stolen vehicles for a few years. But I have no idea if it goes any farther than that.