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I am thinking about mounting a scope on one of my Marlins. I have a 336 with a 20 inch barrel and a Spikehorn with a 16 inch barrell. I have never wanted to put a scope on either one of them because i really dont think its right to do that to a levergun:barf: .However i saw a pic of a 336 with the scout mounted scope and really liked it.I would like for some of you who have this set up to post pics and a little description of it so i can see what kind of options i have.
 
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16" 336 in 30-30; Williams rear/Lyman front sights, Leupold QR rings and Leupold FXII 2.5x cout scope.

I have a 20" 336 in 35 Remington that is set up similarly, albeit with a full-length mag tube, XS iron sights, and the Burris 2.75x scout scope.
 
Scout? What's a scout?

One of my top-eject Model 94's, note the vintage Saturn Boone prismatic 2.25x scope:

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Thanks for this thread.

As guy with intentions of buying a 336,
with intentions to scouterize it,
I'm watching with interest...

Nem
 
XS Sight Systems (www.xssights.com) makes the XS Lever Scout Mount for IER scopes for round-barrel Marlin 336, 1894, and 1895 and Model 94 Winchester Angle Eject. Catalog shows installation on a Marlin, using holes for scope mount and a dovetail device to replace rear sight. Catalog also lists recommended scopes and rings.

XS also has Ghost Ring sights and a Cowboy Express Sight that has been used by "China Camp"--that may mean it's SASS legal.

Nope, haven't used any of their products--just downloaded their catalog a couple of days ago. Products do look interesting.
 
I have the XS ghost ring on a guide gun. The only problem is the barrel is not screwed in to the reciever so as to align the sight mounted on the receiver with the sight on the barrel. We have had 3 guide guns and none of them had the proper alignment. The problem is not easily seen when looking at standard sight arrangement of both sights on the barrel. If others have seen this I'd be interested in hearing about it.
 
As guy with intentions of buying a 336, with intentions to scouterize it,
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A few random thoughts from my builds:

  • I used QR scope mounts to allow the scope to be removed in the field in case it gets damaged. The Leupold QR Weaver-style rings are much nicer than the Burris.
  • I use the strap-on cheek piece (boy, does that sound kinky) so that I can maintain a consistent cheek weld regardless of being scoped or not.
  • I'm still not sure if I like the Burris or Leupold scope better; the Burris isn't as forgiving off-axis as the Leupold, but the eyepiece is diopter adjustable on the Burris and is not on the Leupold.
  • Cutting the barrel down to 16" makes a noticeable but small difference in handling; speed of transitions is in fact better. Having said that - the capacity of a full length magazine of a 20" rifle is, in my opinion, more of a benefit than the handling difference between 16" and 20". I'd not cut another one down, were I to do this again.
  • I made a big deal out of finding pre-safety 336's; I prefer to use the half-cock notch as my safety when still hunting. YMMV.
  • The XS irons are vastly superior to the Williams offerings in terms of robustness and not snagging on things. The WWG and Brockmans are very well thought of, but they are much more expensive. Still, having protected front-&-rear iron sights may be A Really Useful Thing if the rifle is to be carried in places where the game bites back.
  • Given better industry support in terms of bullets, the perfect scouterized levergun for me would probably be a 7-30 Waters done similarly to the 20" 336shown in the bottom picture. But the biggest impediment to that is the lack of jacketed bullets in the 150gr-170gr sizes with an appropriate nose and cannelure configuration. As it stands, Speer is the only major player to make a bullet for the 7-30 (a 140gr bullet - lighter than I'd like) other than turning to the hardcast community....
 
I use the strap-on cheek piece (boy, does that sound kinky)...
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LOL! :D

First good laugh of the day for me. Thanks. :)

Also, great recommendations, RB (and others). I may have a question or two later.

Nice to see this thread pop up. Continuing to read with interest...

Nem
 
I'm on the lookout right now for a levergun to play with. That 16" Marlin looks sorta like what I'm going to go for.

Rbernie, how many rounds does the short one hold? Would splitting the difference (18") give you the best of both worlds?
 
To my eyes a Marlin 336 looks fine with a receiver-mounted scope, as long as it's small, no more than 4X sized. Here's a crude phone-cam pic of my Marlin 1895M GG with a Burris Scout scope and Williams receiver sight.
 

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Rbernie, how many rounds does the short one hold? Would splitting the difference (18") give you the best of both worlds?
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The 16" 3/4 length mag holds 3 rounds of 150gr or 170gr ammo, and 4 rounds of 125gr plinkers. Frankly, I would prefer a longer magazine but I got lazy and simply chopped down a Marauder-style that already had the short magazine.

Remember - chopping the barrel is only half the problem. You also have to shorten the mag tube, spring, and do so while keeping a means of retaining the mag tube end cap and such. I simply didn't want to deal with cutting down and reforming a 20" magazine tube, and whimped out. Even a 'full' 16" mag tube would hold 4+1 or maybe even 5+1, which would be enough for me.
 
WWG Co-Pilot
Here's mine......got it last year.
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Da'um!

That is such a be'utiful rifle! :D

For now, I'll do with a scouterized 336 in thuty.

RB, I hear you re the problematic aspects of shortening that 20" barrel
and the consequent loss of rnds in the magazine.

Still,

I'm

so

tempted ... .. . .. ..

(Of course, I wouldn't do it myself ...
I'd have a smith do it...
probably cutting it to 18.5"...)
 
Great lookin rifles

all of em. Especially you FLtoAK,but i cant afford one of those,(not now anyway:D ). So now i just need to decide which scope ,and i really like the XS sight systems.I think i will mount it to my 20 inch instead of the Spikehorn.
 
WWG Co-pilot

Carterbeauford:

It's a Wild West Guns "Co-pilot," .457 magnum(WWG custom round, also shoots 45-70 and a .410 round) 16.5 barrel, kevlar synth stock, Leupold FX-II 2.5x28mm Scout scope all on the 1895 frame. Made in Anchorage. Thanks for the comments..it was very expensive but it has been worth it to me.
 
RBernie said:
Cutting the barrel down to 16" makes a noticeable but small difference in handling; speed of transitions is in fact better. Having said that - the capacity of a full length magazine of a 20" rifle is, in my opinion, more of a benefit than the handling difference between 16" and 20". I'd not cut another one down, were I to do this again.
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Hey, RB, I just noticed something about your shorter rifle as seen in post 4: The magazine tube is cut back much further than the end of the barrel. I would have expected that one would lose some magazine capacity in cutting the barrel/mag tube back, but that seems like you lost a lot.

I'm thinking of cutting a 336 barrel back to 18 or 18.5", not 16. That should (I think) reduce mag capacity by one.

But why was yours reduced so much more than the barrel? Is there a technical reason that it was done that way?

Just curious.

Nem
 
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