when I 1st saw the holster they were required to wear, I figured that is what cuased the discharge... then I saw the pictures of the bullet hole( no they have not been released... lets just say its good to know people that work for airlines)... lets just say there is no way in hell it would have went where it did if it was a AD.
Pilot to be fired for accidental discharge
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There are only two people who know exactly what happened. One is the Pilot and the other is his FO ( First Officer ).
It is standard in the industry that the FO will never rat out his Captain. What happens on the flight deck, stays on the flight deck ( unless the FAA starts looking at recorder info ) so it will be hard to determine exactly what really happened.
I still do not see how guns in the cockpit is going to help. Since 911, all doors to the flight deck have been beefed up and are always locked. The most vulnerable moment for a flight crew is when one of the pilots leaves the flight deck to use the bathroom or whatever. It is at this point where the gun is locked and stowed, so how is it going to be a help to anyone ?
Chris
It is standard in the industry that the FO will never rat out his Captain. What happens on the flight deck, stays on the flight deck ( unless the FAA starts looking at recorder info ) so it will be hard to determine exactly what really happened.
I still do not see how guns in the cockpit is going to help. Since 911, all doors to the flight deck have been beefed up and are always locked. The most vulnerable moment for a flight crew is when one of the pilots leaves the flight deck to use the bathroom or whatever. It is at this point where the gun is locked and stowed, so how is it going to be a help to anyone ?
Chris
Dksimon
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That is probably the stupidest holster I have ever seen. Not that the blame falls solely on the holster but it is a pretty cruddy piece of engineering.
misANTHrope
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You must mean these pictures:
The location of the hole is reminiscent of the way that guy in the video demonstrates holding the gun while securing it...
Anyone believe the airlines are terminating this guy without an opinion from the TSA citing he failed to follow procedure? I don't, thus my earlier post. I also don't buy the whole its the holster and the policy's fault argument, even while not being a fan of either.
I could be wrong, though, in which case I'll support the pilot during his wrongful termination lawsuit.
I could be wrong, though, in which case I'll support the pilot during his wrongful termination lawsuit.
misANTHrope
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So is that Youtube video inaccurate in showing the pistol being secured with the holster no longer strapped on? I would think you'd almost have to remove it from your belt before putting that padlock in...
Had nothing to do with the holster, had everything to do with him breaking the rules...
And as far as not rating out another pilot in aviation, we wish that was not the case. Pilots are the first to throw each other under the bus - despite what they say..
and either way likely has nothing to do with a guy messing with his gun at 8000ft.
And as far as not rating out another pilot in aviation, we wish that was not the case. Pilots are the first to throw each other under the bus - despite what they say..
and either way likely has nothing to do with a guy messing with his gun at 8000ft.
stevelyn
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I woud say that the Transportation Sturmabteilung's gun handling "proceedures" are in large part at fault here.
The TSA monkeys never wanted armed pilots to begin with and threw up every obstacle imaginable to discourage pilots from being armed. It took two acts of Congress and the firing of the POS former BATFEces Gruppenfuhrer John Magaw to get the first pilots armed.
If you didn't want a program to succeed, you would build it to fail from the start. It appears TSA built failure into the program.
The TSA monkeys never wanted armed pilots to begin with and threw up every obstacle imaginable to discourage pilots from being armed. It took two acts of Congress and the firing of the POS former BATFEces Gruppenfuhrer John Magaw to get the first pilots armed.
If you didn't want a program to succeed, you would build it to fail from the start. It appears TSA built failure into the program.
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