Angry pilots protest slowness of U.S. in letting them carry guns
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Mr Grinch
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A secured cockpit door. Well Gee, let's just think about that shall we?
Hmmm, if that is all it takes, and we know that airliners now have a "reinforced" door, then why pray tell, do we still have Federal Air Marshals flying as we speak? Why are fighters sitting alert while we speak, and why are SAM's in battery around airports of interest as we speak?
While we are speaking- could it be that all of the above points to the fact that there is no such thing as a impenetrable door? Could it be that there won't be one for the foreseeable future? Could it be that the people who study these things just might have taken all of the engineering into account and determined that arming pilots and FAMs is warranted to ensure that a pilot survives to FLY THE PLANE?
Methinks some people haveth their collective heads in the sand...
Hmmm, if that is all it takes, and we know that airliners now have a "reinforced" door, then why pray tell, do we still have Federal Air Marshals flying as we speak? Why are fighters sitting alert while we speak, and why are SAM's in battery around airports of interest as we speak?
While we are speaking- could it be that all of the above points to the fact that there is no such thing as a impenetrable door? Could it be that there won't be one for the foreseeable future? Could it be that the people who study these things just might have taken all of the engineering into account and determined that arming pilots and FAMs is warranted to ensure that a pilot survives to FLY THE PLANE?
Methinks some people haveth their collective heads in the sand...
C.R.Sam
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Security of the flight deck door should have no bearing on the arm or not arm the pilots arguement.
To crash an airliner into a selected target requires access to the flight deck and the controls.
To crash an airliner into a random spot does NOT require access to the flight deck.
Either way the effort of terrorism is successful. "To strike terror into the hearts of the enemy."
Sam
To crash an airliner into a selected target requires access to the flight deck and the controls.
To crash an airliner into a random spot does NOT require access to the flight deck.
Either way the effort of terrorism is successful. "To strike terror into the hearts of the enemy."
Sam
stevelyn
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I'm a bit taken by the title of the story. It's BS. :banghead:
They apparently aren't angry enough or protesting loud enough, otherwise they would and could have brought the whole stinking mess of an airline industry to a money losing, economy stopping halt long ago.
:banghead:ysr_racer
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Yes, it's better than having the pilot OPEN the cockpit door and give easier access to any potential threats.
Trust me, you will NEVER again see a US airliner crash into a building. In fact, the last hijacked plane didn't.
C.R.Sam
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How bout sitting in the cockpit...
Unarmed
Flight deck door secured
While some critter removes your ability to control the craft ?
There is, now, likelyhood that the unarmed passengers will attempt to thwart the critter's attempts. No guarentee.
How lucky do you feel ?
Sam
Unarmed
Flight deck door secured
While some critter removes your ability to control the craft ?
There is, now, likelyhood that the unarmed passengers will attempt to thwart the critter's attempts. No guarentee.
How lucky do you feel ?
Sam
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Mr Grinch
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Racer, trust me, you WILL see another attempt to crash a commercial jet into a high value target on US soil. It is a given over the course of our lifetimes. You have not thought through the threat as it exists now versus the deterrent measures in place today, nor have you thought through the benefits of having armed pilots on commercial aircraft.
Why are you against arming pilots? They are there to protect the cockpit in order to survive and get the aircraft on the ground. They will not open the door while an attack is in progress, but they will have to fight whether they are armed or not should the door be breached. Just flying the airplane is not an option.
Do you also think that FAM's are superfluous? By your logic, passengers will save the day (you haven't thought through the issues on that either), assuming from your perspective that having the aircraft lost will all souls is a "success" somehow.
While you can't know the intracacies of the problem, it is obvious that there is much that is just being pushed aside without even basic familiarity. It seems that you are projecting the circumstances of the last attack versus the current remedies, not looking ahead to different tactics available to the bad guys...
Grinch
Why are you against arming pilots? They are there to protect the cockpit in order to survive and get the aircraft on the ground. They will not open the door while an attack is in progress, but they will have to fight whether they are armed or not should the door be breached. Just flying the airplane is not an option.
Do you also think that FAM's are superfluous? By your logic, passengers will save the day (you haven't thought through the issues on that either), assuming from your perspective that having the aircraft lost will all souls is a "success" somehow.
While you can't know the intracacies of the problem, it is obvious that there is much that is just being pushed aside without even basic familiarity. It seems that you are projecting the circumstances of the last attack versus the current remedies, not looking ahead to different tactics available to the bad guys...
Grinch
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