Pizza man/bomb update #3

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Investigators Say Pizza Man Didn't Act Alone

ERIE, Pa. — Investigators said Monday they were confident a pizza deliveryman did not act alone when he robbed a bank with a bomb locked to his neck that went off moments later and killed him.

But whether Brian Douglas Wells was a willing participant or somehow "duped" into participating remained a mystery, FBI agent Bob Rudge said.

"We still don't know if it's a murder investigation," Rudge said.

The idea that Wells acted alone is now the "least likely scenario and we are to the point where we have discounted that as a possibility," he said.

Wells, 46, was stopped in his car, arrested and handcuffed Aug. 28 following a PNC Bank robbery near Erie, but was killed when the bomb attached to a collar locked around his neck exploded while he and police waited for a bomb squad.

Investigators are trying to determine whether Wells locked the bomb onto himself, or if it was locked onto him by someone else who forced him to rob the bank.

Authorities continued to search for two men seen nearby running through traffic about 45 minutes after Wells died. The FBI released sketches of the two men, saying it was not known if they had anything to do with the case.

Wells told police when he was arrested that someone had locked the bomb around his neck, started a timer on the bomb and forced him to rob the bank. He said he was given a note with detailed instructions.

On Monday, investigators released a map of four locations listed in the note where Wells was allegedly supposed to receive further instructions.

One location was a restaurant sign just feet from the bank, near where Wells was sitting in his car when police found him. Two others were wooded areas along major roads within a few miles of the bank. Another was beneath an interstate underpass.

The two men seen darting through traffic were near locations mentioned in the note, authorities said.

People who knew Wells have said he couldn't have acted alone. They have described him as a quiet man of average intelligence who had little ambition outside of listening to music and working part-time in his pizza delivery job.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96768,00.html
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This just keeps getting more interesting as the story continues.
 
It seems to me unlikely he was a willing participant. If he acted alone or conspired with someone else to do it, why would he actually arm a live bomb around his neck (unless he's really, incredibly stupid)?
 
More info, with police sketches of two persons of interest:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/09/08/pizza.bomb/index.html
[blockquote]The white man was seen running feverishly across a busy road, maneuvering through traffic to avoid being hit, he said.

The black man, wearing a black backpack, black hat and sunglasses, was seen climbing over a concrete barrier separating traffic lanes.
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Rudge made a plea for anyone who might be acquainted with the person who built the bomb, or anyone who might have been "minimally" involved in the incident, to come forward.

"The situation may have gotten out of control, and things may not have gone as planned," Rudge said. "Right now, their best ally is law enforcement."[/blockquote]
 
...(unless he's really, incredibly stupid)?
Lot of those in the world.

pax

The credulity of dupes is as inexhaustible as the invention of knaves. -- Edmund Burke
 
"Right now, their best ally is law enforcement."

Yeah, right. Just like they help you get off a legal use of deadly force.

No rip on LEO's, just get a kick out of these statments.

Tony
 
"It seems to me unlikely he was a willing participant. If he acted alone or conspired with someone else to do it, why would he actually arm a live bomb around his neck (unless he's really, incredibly stupid)?"

Yeah, it's unfortunate that the vast majority of criminals in this world are evil masterminds... :)

Intelligence is NOT a predicate necessity for being a criminal.
 
Are you sure that's the right video? I briefly looked at the amazing videos section, and I didn't see any citation on the video.

Also, the other video I saw (with the camera pointing elsewhere when the bomb went off) showed either one or two police officers running up to the guy with guns drawn. They're nowhere to be seen in this one. I don't remember if the guy was by a blue car like that. There would have to be a police car off-frame right (that's where the police were taking cover) for it to match, though.
 
The one reason I could propose that if the pizza guy was in on the plot, he would be willing to use a real bomb for the alibi.

If he were caught, he would be under less suspicion and be more likely considered the victim by the police if the bomb were real.
 
But in that situation, you wouldn't really set the bomb to go off. Keep the countdown timer (if there was one), but leave it unconnected to the bomb. He could still claim he thought it was real, but without the risk. Seriously, I wouldn't bet my life that a bomb squad could get to me in under 10-15 minutes, if it was at 22 minutes in the bank...
 
Yeah, I thought of that too. Even a dummy bomb would work for that excuse. But a 100% real bomb with a real detonator would make your alibi that much more believable.

But I agree, it's one hell of a chance to take.
 
No shortage of loons out there, huh?:rolleyes:



Woman robs Missouri bank with fake bomb around neck in apparent copycat crime

Associated Press


LATHROP, Mo. -- A woman robbed a bank today by saying she was "wired" around her neck in an apparent copycat version of a robbery last month that left a pizza delivery man dead.

Police arrested a 49-year-old woman and said she did not have a bomb. "It looks as though the whole thing was a hoax," FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said.

The heist bore similarities to an Aug. 28 bank robbery in Erie, Pa., that continues to puzzle authorities. Brian Douglas Wells was captured with a bomb locked around his neck and told police he had been forced to rob the bank. He was killed when the bomb exploded minutes later.

Lanza said today's robbery of a Lathrop bank was committed by a woman wearing a device around her neck, dark glasses and an earpiece that appeared to be attached to a microphone in front of her mouth.

The woman demanded money and said she did not have much time, Lanza said.

"She didn't say it was a bomb, but she alluded to the fact that she was wired and pointed to the device around her neck," he said.

The woman also said a van with explosives was in front of a school. Police locked down the Lathrop school buildings and checked them, but found no explosives.

A bank teller gave the woman an unspecified amount of money, which was recovered when she was arrested this afternoon at her home in nearby Holt, about 25 miles northeast of Kansas City. Police traced her from her license plate, which was noted by a bank employee.

Lanza said he did not know what the woman had around her neck, but it was not a bomb.

Authorities said they believe the woman, whose name had not been released this afternoon, acted alone. Lanza said he expected federal charges to be filed against her Friday.

In the Pennsylvania case today, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives released a sketch of someone they wanted to question: a man seen walking out of the woods behind a store where police stopped Wells. Authorities did not call the man a suspect.



http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2094468
 
Yeah, right. Just like they help you get off a legal use of deadly force.

Why don't you elaborate on this sentence, if you please.

LawDog
 
I believe his point is that although a few police might be seeking justice, most just want arrests and convictions (within or outside the bounds of the law, to some cops it makes no difference). And I think everyone here will agree that justice and universal application of the law as it is now are two different things. I'm convinced that the only time you can help yourself by talking to police in an official capacity is when they already have enough evidence to convict you and there's some more serious "criminal" you can nark.

So if you go talk to the police about a case like that voluntarily, you're betting that the good you do society won't be offset by an accidental admission of some other crime. And there doesn't necessarily have to be a crime. Act nervous, twitch occasionally, and some cop may make it his mission in life to find dirt on you. The thing that saves most sheeple is that they don't know enough to be nervous. They don't know that in the last week they've probably broken several dozen worthless laws and maybe one or two marginal ones.
 
Just got done watching Americas Most Wanted, they showed this case and showed a similar robbery a couple years back, where the suspect was arrested. Since this has happened elsewhere, I think the guy did not act alone.
 
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