Pizza Man Fired for Defending Himself

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38726

A pizza deliveryman won't face charges for fatally shooting a would-be robber several times when he was approached in a high-crime area, but his employer, Pizza Hut, has fired him for violating a company policy against carrying firearms.

Ronald B. Honeycutt, 38, who has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, says he's been delivering pizzas for 20 years and has always packed heat on the job.

According to a report in the Indianapolis Star, prosecutors announced Friday the Carmel, Ind., man will not face criminal charges.

"It's a clear case of self-defense," Deputy Prosecutor Barb Crawford said. "He did what the law allows him to do to protect himself."

Jerome Brown-Dancler approached Honeycutt at around 11 p.m. on May 17 just after he had made a pizza delivery in Indianapolis. According to the report, Brown-Dancler pointed a 9 mm handgun at the Pizza Hut employee as he was entering his van.

Brown-Dancler's gun carried a loaded 14-round clip but had no bullet in the chamber, Crawford told the Star. When confronted, Honeycutt pulled his own 9 mm from the back of his pants and fired until it was empty. He says he fired 15 times in about eight seconds. An autopsy revealed Brown-Dancler was hit at least 10 times.

According to the report, Honeycutt insists Brown-Dancler didn't fall until after the last shot was fired.

"The guy kept standing. He knew he was injured when he fell," Honeycutt told the paper. "His concern was he made an error, and the only thing he could say when I was grabbing his gun off the ground was, 'I just wanted pizza.'"

After the encounter, Honeycutt took Brown-Dancler's gun, fearing it might be stolen if it was left with the body. He got in his van, drove to the Pizza Hut restaurant where he worked and told his manager to call police, Crawford said.

"This was late at night. This was a high-crime area," Crawford is quoted as saying. "He left because he wasn't sure whether or not Brown-Dancler had any friends with him. As it turns out, he did indeed have friends with him. They left when they heard shots fired."

Honeycutt says he plans to find another job delivering pizzas.

"Other criminals better think twice, because I'm going back out there," he said, "and I know I'm not alone in the way I think about this."

Some Pizza Hut customers have complained to the company after it fired Honeycutt.

"I hope those of you in the media will realize the incredible unfairness of a huge company telling its employees – in essence – they must agree to die for the company rather than use legal reasonable means to defend themselves," Rick Whitham, an Indianapolis attorney, told WND. He says he saw Pizza Hut's action as "clear discrimination against those who choose to lawfully exercise a legal, heavily regulated right."

Whitham wrote to the company: "I don't spend my money with businesses that openly discriminate against people such as myself who understand that the police have no affirmative duty to protect any particular citizen and that no company is worth dying for – particularly yours."
 
I always liked the local mom and pop pizza places anyway. I just sent a letter to Pizza Hut. They no longer will receive any of my hard earned money.
 
I'd be willing to bet all the major chains have such policy. I know that dominos and pizza hut both do (worked for both). I carried in my car once MO got its new law, but i had no delusions about keeping my job should i have to use it.
 
Please let `em know you'll be getting your pizza elsewhere.

Call all four numbers! Email! Fill out an online form!
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Pizza Hut, Inc.
14841 Dallas Parkway
Dallas, Texas 75254

Tel: 1-972-338-7700

Franchise & Investor Relations: 1-866-298-6986

CUSTOMER SERVICES
Customer Satisfaction: 1-800-948-8488 (U.S.)
1-866-664-5696 (Canada)

VIP Hotline: 1-866-VIP-3444

Or, you may also send us your feedback online
http://www.pizzahut.com/contact/feedback_other.asp

Here's a sample letter:
I have read about you firing delivery driver Ronald B. Honeycutt of Indinapolis for defending his life while delivering pizza for your business.

This is deplorable treatment. Your policy of requiring your employees to be defenseless in their often dangerous job is reprehensible.

Please be aware that I will take my business elsewhere and encourage others to do the same.

Or this:
I just heard about how you fired your driver in Indiana for defending his life when confronted by an armed robber.

You should be quite ashamed of yourselves. Your policy forbidding your drivers to legally carry a weapon to defend themselves is inhumane and a denial of their human rights.

I am joining the many law-abiding, freedom-loving Americans who will make a point of ordering pizza from anyone BUT Pizza Hut.

Sincerely,

xxx
 
Just sent them an email informing them that I will no longer be able to do business with them due to their anti-second amendment stance.



nero
 
is there any way

to get a history of Pizza Hut delivery-'men' robberies and murders?

If the figures could be built, it would make an interesting activist campaign to compare/contrast with RTC laws, etc., etc.

My own suspicions are that the figures and statistics we could come up with would be poor enough--probably understated--that a compelling statement couldn't be made.

Still, it would be fun to get some pro-gun publicity on it...

Dickum, Dunkum, and Taxum, where are you? We need a poster for this....
 
Email sent.

Here's a link to Pizza Hut's parent company:

http://www.yum.com/

I wonder how many executives/corporate officers of Pizza Hut or Yum! brands have carry permits, or private security details.

Hit 'em where it hurts- in the wallet.

I need to stop eating junk food, anyway....
 
Email sent to the link provided by Matt. I meant what I said, I will not buy another pizza hut pizza until they publicly reverse their policy and at least offer Mr Hunnicutt his job back:fire:
 
Well this was my response to Pizza Hut
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I was reading a news article involving an employee. His name was Ronald B. Honeycutt from Indianapolis and he was recently fired for defending his life against an armed robber. Although this may be against your company policy, I view your actions as unnaceptable as this man was clearly defending himself as even stated by the police.

Honeycutt was faced with a situation similar to those on 9/11. While everyone believed that the terrorists would do no harm other than demanding money, they were DEAD wrong. Unfortunately their unwillingness to do something lead to their deaths.

For just one moment, I would like you to place yourself in those shoes. Would you fall victim to some unknown crime? Maybe a severe beating leaving you paralyzed or even dead? Or would you defend yourself? Your employee did not know if the intent of the attacker was to simply kill him or steal his money, but one thing was obvious the criminal was willing to use his gun to get money, that shows intent.

Also keep in mind that no more than a year ago another pizza delivery man was blown up after having explosives strapped to his neck. Due to your company policy of not allowing employees to protect themselves when their lives are clearly in danger I will no longer frequenting your stores. In the past I have made the 12 mile drive just to get those wonderful pan pizzas you make, but now no more.
 
I am sadly dissapointed to learn that you find a dead delivery driver morally superior to an armed one. I won't be buying any more Pizza Hut Pizza as long as this policy is in place. ESPECIALLY not delivery. I'm not about to put the money into the pockets of a corporation who expects their driver to martyr themself while delivering my pizza in the name of corporate political correctness. I couldn't live with myself if I did. If pleasing anti-freedom elements of our society is worth more to you than the lives of your employees, I want nothing to do with your corporation. Douglas Wells went unarmed and look where that got him.
 
E-mail sent. Pity too, my familiy of seven often has little time to cook, so pizza was an easy out, and Pizza Hut was usually our first choice. Papa John's it is.
 
is there any way to get a history of Pizza Hut delivery-'men' robberies and murders?
Not specific, but a start..

http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/13/pf/dangerousjobs/?cnn=yes

"One top-10 surprise was the fifth place finisher -- driver-sales workers, which, according to a BLS spokesperson, includes pizza delivers, vending machine fillers, and the like. Again, these workers are often self employed. Traffic accidents contributed heavily to their high fatality rate of 38 per 100,000, but they also suffered from crime; nearly a quarter of their deaths came from robberies and assaults."

Papa John's it is.
Call them (or any other major chain) and ask them if they allow employees to carry while on the job. If not, ask if they would be fired if someone found out (whether by a justified shooting or bad concealment).

I'd bet a dollar to a dime i already know the answer.

Just because papa johns hasnt had the chance to fire someone over a similar incident (or they have and we havent heard about it) does not mean they are more deserving of business (IMO).

Not saying pizza huts policy/actions are acceptable (heck keep emailing them, include what i posted above), just trying to put things in perspective.
 
the bottom line on this

is simply about cost, for the most part.

thanks, clange.

Should they allow carry as a company policy, dollars-to-donuts says their insurance umbrella costs more--or they think it will cost more, and that's a rationalization if the management is a blissninny operation.

I've never delivered--do some operations offer a Life Insurance policy?

It could be PizzaHut, Papa Johns, or the local auto acc. chain--we gotta find a way into the insurance companies.
 
is simply about cost, for the most part.
Yep. Losing a driver making $5.15 an hour costs them almost nothing. Allowing drivers to carry could put them at risk of a nasty lawsuit if a driver messed up/did something stupid. Even if they 'win' they have to spend a lot on lawyers (keep in mind the alternative option, write off the $5.15 guys).

Even if they dont always enforce the policy (when its quiet, as opposed to a city-wide self defense story), they can point to it whenever they want and say 'see, we dont allow it. Its not our fault he didnt follow our rules'.

I could be wrong though. If anyone knows of a chain that allows it let me know, they'll get all my pizza money from now on.
 
I understand the insurance...

But maybe all of these lawmakers should do something good for a change. Make a law protecting business from insurance hikes due to a company's firearm policy. Also, an anti lawsuit or tort reform bill similar to the bill that was poisoned by the Democrats lately. Pie in the sky, I know, but a guy can dream can't he?
 
The robber just wanted pizza

'I just wanted pizza.'"

I guess he learned the hard way it's better to ask for a slice then threaten a delivery guy with a gun!

Or "would you like some hot lead with that?"
 
This is what I e'mailed to Pizza Hut:
I am a long time customer of Pizza Hut on average purchasing one a week since around 1985 or so.

BUT - no more.

Regarding your delivery man in Indiana that defended himself from an attack:

I find it despicable that your company would fire him for defending himself. The very notion that your company considers it's employees lives less valuable than that of a criminal is completely abhorent to me.

Unless the individual is fairly compensated by your company for his wrongful discharge or given his job back my weekly pizza purchase from now on will be going to Dominoes.

Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves - truly ashamed.
I asked them to respond - we'll see if they do...
 
Yep. Losing a driver making $5.15 an hour costs them almost nothing. Allowing drivers to carry could put them at risk of a nasty lawsuit if a driver messed up/did something stupid. Even if they 'win' they have to spend a lot on lawyers (keep in mind the alternative option, write off the $5.15 guys).
What they need is a lawsuit from the flip side of the coin. If a driver had been killed by robbers, it would be a natural for his family to sue the employer for not keeping him safe. This guy prevailed, and lived, so that ain't gonna work.

But ...

This is probably a stretch, but OSHA has regulations that essentially make it an employer's DUTY to provide a safe working environment for its employees. Even though he lived, Hunneycut's life was certainly in danger, thus his working environment was clearly not safe. I wonder how far he might get pursuing an OSHA complaint against Pizza Hut?
 
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