blarby
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(insert anti-s usual message here. Guns/mags,etc- whateva)
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Don't misunderstand me : I completely understand what you are saying.
I simply believe that you need something considerably more substantial than "My object makes you afraid" as a justification for taking it away from me.
"I" have done no wrong deserving of that.
If we follow that logic , we should be able to outlaw what you are saying- because believe me, it makes me VERY afraid. But we can't- because Thank Goodness- thats the first amendment, now isn't it ?
But fear not. If you succeed in whittling the second one away to slingshots and derringers- the first will follow in short order, believe me on that. For if you can whittle one amendment down, certainly we can whittle the rest- now cant we ?
Essentially this comes down to removing the ability for those who currently, or may in the immediate future- do great harm to others. Thats a dangerously tricky super-powers type problem of its own....but has to do with the individual, not the objects.
If we were to legislate away all objects that can and do "do" harm, we would live in a world of nerf. We do, and can, not. What we can do is prevent those people that meet an established and vetted criteria for potentially doing serious immediate harm to others and confine them until such state as they are no longer ready to do society harm- as we used to.
If you are of such threat that you should be denied the use of arms, as your intent in such would solely be to deprive others of their liberty.... perhaps you don't have the right to ANY liberties, now do you ? ...
Yes, it is a slippery slope- liberty always is. But, as our good ole father TJ used to say : "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
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Ok, now if possible- please rip this one apart from every angle you can.
I'm still in the process of developing my "go-to" response message, and this is the best I've come up with. Yes, we could write a book on the subject, I know. In most conversations, you never get the chance.
Most impact/least words- dont sound like a whack job. Thats the #1 goal. #2 goal : Most of these points have a sub-text of leading down paths that are very easy to close in our favor, should you be stopped mid-explanation like we always are.
I very rarely have 1 on 1 gun conversations with anti's... They get overheard a ton- and it needs to be rationally broadly based topics that are relatable.
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Don't misunderstand me : I completely understand what you are saying.
I simply believe that you need something considerably more substantial than "My object makes you afraid" as a justification for taking it away from me.
"I" have done no wrong deserving of that.
If we follow that logic , we should be able to outlaw what you are saying- because believe me, it makes me VERY afraid. But we can't- because Thank Goodness- thats the first amendment, now isn't it ?
But fear not. If you succeed in whittling the second one away to slingshots and derringers- the first will follow in short order, believe me on that. For if you can whittle one amendment down, certainly we can whittle the rest- now cant we ?
Essentially this comes down to removing the ability for those who currently, or may in the immediate future- do great harm to others. Thats a dangerously tricky super-powers type problem of its own....but has to do with the individual, not the objects.
If we were to legislate away all objects that can and do "do" harm, we would live in a world of nerf. We do, and can, not. What we can do is prevent those people that meet an established and vetted criteria for potentially doing serious immediate harm to others and confine them until such state as they are no longer ready to do society harm- as we used to.
If you are of such threat that you should be denied the use of arms, as your intent in such would solely be to deprive others of their liberty.... perhaps you don't have the right to ANY liberties, now do you ? ...
Yes, it is a slippery slope- liberty always is. But, as our good ole father TJ used to say : "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
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Ok, now if possible- please rip this one apart from every angle you can.
I'm still in the process of developing my "go-to" response message, and this is the best I've come up with. Yes, we could write a book on the subject, I know. In most conversations, you never get the chance.
Most impact/least words- dont sound like a whack job. Thats the #1 goal. #2 goal : Most of these points have a sub-text of leading down paths that are very easy to close in our favor, should you be stopped mid-explanation like we always are.
I very rarely have 1 on 1 gun conversations with anti's... They get overheard a ton- and it needs to be rationally broadly based topics that are relatable.
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