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Assuming this thread is not locked and my account banned for such a stupid question I would like some info for a complete newb.

Can someone explain what is up about 357's firing .38 rounds. I see it mentioned from time to time but dont know any details, such as which 357 firearms have this capability.

Sorry for this totally newb question. Now I feel naked, ok I'm off.
 
I love it when new people ask seemingly stupid questions, which they are not. New people means new gunnies, new gunnies = GOOD. Welcome.

Any .357 magnum, except possibly the rare semi auto, can shoot .38 special ammunition. So since we are talking about revolvers any .357 you buy will be able to also shoot .38 special. That is one of the things that makes a good .357 magnum revolver such a great versatile gun.

The same concept also applies to the .44 magnum being able to shoot .44 special.

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Sorry for this totally newb question. Now I feel naked, ok I'm off.

No problem. If you really don't know something you should be able to ask without having to be made to feel foolish.

Basically the .357 Magnum is a souped up .38 Spl; it's about 1/10" longer than the .38 but uses the same size bullets. So you can put a .38 Spl cartridge in a cylinder made for a .357 Magnum and it will function just fine. But you cannot put a .38 Spl in a .357 Magnum (normally), it should not fit properly, plus the gun may not be strong enough to support the increased pressure.
 
.357 is just a longer, more powerful version of the .38 special. Therefore, .38 specials will fit a and fire in guns chambered for (and strong enough to handle) the .357. .357 magnums are (hopefully) too long to chamber in the less beefy .38 special guns.

.38 special is actually a misnomer because the caliber (.38, .44, .45, etc) is supposed to be the diameter of the bullet in inches. .38 special bullets are actually .357 inches in diameter. I have heard that the reason they are called ".38" comes from way back in the old days with the earliest rimfire .38 caliber rounds. Not sure of the whole story, and I'm not sure why they went to the "more correct" .357 name for the magnum when it was invented (1950s? 60s?).

Incidentally, 9mm Luger/Parabellum, .380, and many other common handgun rounds use bullets of almost identical diameter. Some guns like Ruger Blackhawk conversions and the infamous Medusa revolver can be manipulated to fire multiple types of ammunition of this diameter.

Hope this helps.
 
It's because .357 and .38 cases are identical in all measurements except for length. .357 magnum cases are longer so that it's impossible to put a .357 magnum round into a .38 SPL revolver, since the chambers get narrower towards the front. This is because the bullet is narrower than the case, and having the bullet bounce out of the chamber and into the barrel through an oversized hole wouldn't be very helpful to the accuracy or velocity.

Revolvers are able to do this because of how they headspace the cartridge. Headspace refers to how far the cartridge goes into the chamber. .357 magnum and .38 SPL revolvers headspace on the cartridge rim. The cases are shaped kind of like a tube on top of a plate. The plate part, the "rim" of the cartridge, sticks out wider than the tube, and is pushed against the back of the cylinder when the rounds are loaded.

Automatics usually headspace on the mouth of the cartridge--the end of the tube where the bullet sticks out--instead of the rim. So you may notice that a lot of automatic cartridges, such as 9mm parabellum and .45 ACP, are "rimless." They still have a rim, but it's the same diameter as the main body, or sometimes slightly narrower. The rim on those cartridges is for the extractor to grip onto, to pull the round out of the chamber. It doesn't have any effect on headspacing.

Because most autos headspace on the mouth, it's usually not safe to fire shorter versions of rounds in an automatic, unless you get a seperate barrel. They will usually go "bang" if you try it, but there's also a chance it could go "BOOOOOM." Or you could break the extractor, since that would be the only thing holding the cartridge in place, by the rim. And since the extractor isn't meant to hold the case still while the firing pin whacks it, that could over-stress the part. So you shouldn't try firing .40 S&W out of a 10mm, or .380 ACP out of a .38 Super, for example.

Also there are some revolvers chambered in auto cartridges. Some headspace on the mouth, like an automatic, but some headspace on a clip which goes around the base of the cartridge, acting like a rim would. The ones that headspace on the mouth can't use shorter cartridges, but the ones that headspace on a clip will usually tolerate shorter cartridges, as long as all other dimensions are identical.

So yeah, as a general rule, you can fire shorter versions of cartridges through guns that headspace on a rim or a clip, as long as the other dimensions are identical. So .45 Long Colt can be fired through a .454 Casull revolver, and .22 Shorts can be fired out of a .22 Long Rifle revolver. But .22 Long Rifles can't be fired out of a .22 Magnum revolver, because the .22 Magnum case is wider than the .22 LR case, in addition to being longer.
 
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NSWTEX: All the above information is correct so I'll add my two cents for your information. The 44 Magnum and the 44 Special are in the same situation. The Magnum is a heavily loaded Special and approx. 1/10" longer. You may shoot specials in the magnum but not conversely. In case you did ask.
 
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Revolvers are wonderous firearms, especially magnums. There are 3 combinations that I can think of to illustrate your inquiry.

First off, the medium caliber combo; .38 special & .357 magnum: the .38 special was developed by Smith & Wesson as a power upgrade to several .38 calibers of the time (I'm not exactly sure about them all, but I believe that the .38 S&W, .38 Colt, and the .38 Long Colt were among them); the .38 comes from the neck diameter of the brass, not the projectile which is .357...the .357 magnum was developed by extending the brass which allowed higher amounts of powder, and thus another power upgrade. Since the brass and projectile diameters of both cartridges are the same, a .357 magnum gun can also chamber and shoot .38 specials.

The second and third combinations are larger bore and I do not know much about the history, but again the magnum versions can shoot the smaller loads. These are the .44 special & .44 magnum and the .454 casull & .45 long colt. The .44 magnum and .44 special share the same brass and projectile diameters. The .454 casull & .45 long colt are not related, but share nearly the same projectile and brass diameters, so the .45 long colt can be a nice target and practice load for a .454 casull gun. :scrutiny:

I play with the .38 special & .357 magnum combination due to the commonality of ammunition since I am not a reloader.
 
the .357 magnum was developed by extending the brass which allowed higher amounts of powder, and thus another power upgrade.

Actually, it's very easy to get .357 magnum power levels using .38 cases. Such ammunition used to be sold as ".38 +P+ for law enforcement use only." But that's a whole different story. Extending the case by 1/10" was for the sole purpose of preventing people from accidentally (or purposely, if they were stupid and crazy) sticking a .357 cartridge in a .38, which would probably damage the gun (and the shooter's hand and face, and anyone standing nearby...).

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dont 460's shoot 454's and 45lcs too?

Yes, they do.
 
Its good to see that I never have to run off and do something with out fully understanding it first, the wealth of knowledge here is overwhelming to say the least.

Now I am off to find the wife and I the perfect .357
 
I have to say that the .357 revolver may well be the very best weapon possible for a person who is just getting into the sport.

It performs supremely well in terms of self defense, and the option of firing inexpensive and soft-shooting .38 special ammunition makes it something that is easy to become proficient with. If that wasnt enough, the used market regularly presents these beautiful things at fire-sale prices. It makes me smile to think that we live in a world that has such wonderous things to offer.

I know you didnt ask about guns specifically, but since you mentioned that you were looking for something, let me state that in my humble opinion anything that bears the Ruger or Smith and Wesson label will serve you quite well and dont be afraid of buying used, the old ones are, if anything, better than the new ones.

Check out the "used revolver check-out thread" for a surefire means of selecting a healthy example. It is "stickied" right at the top of the revolver forum.
 
Good explanations! I didn't know a lot of those details.

I just got a taurus 651 357 snubbie a couple of weeks ago, used. I couldn't get the 357 rounds in because the previous user must have only fired 38 spc rounds out of it. I kind of freaked out at first but after cleaning the cylinders it was fine. I can't' believe how accruate this gun is or how good the trigger is!!! My other taurus snubbie in 38 spc isn't as good.

I had a ruger security six but sold it because I didn't shoot it much. I joined a range recently and really regret selling it. I was in the market for a CCW and was seriously looking at the glock G36 because I already have a couple of glocks and wanted an option greater than a 9mm. I was concerned about feeding problems as I tend to limp wrist and when I saw the taurus at a shop made a last minute decision.

I really love the fireball that comes out of it!!! It's made me want a few more revolvers so my next one is going to be a ruger GP 100. I would like to get a lightwt 38 spc snubbie after that for a nice light pocket gun.
 
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