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Please Help Virginia

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Hokie_PhD, Sep 20, 2017.

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  1. Hokie_PhD

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    It seems Michael Bloomberg and his anti-gun loons can't keep out of our state.

    They're supporting Ralph Northam and Mark Herring who both want to institute an "assault weapons ban", limit gun purchases to one gun a month and limit "clips" to 1o round (magazines). They think giving these to IDIOTS $1million will help them destroy our gun rights and make us like CA, NY and the other places that the far left have taken over.

    It's bad enough we've had Northern Va destroyed by all of the carpet baggers who destroyed a beautiful part of the state, but now we have a serious threat.

    Please help me if you're in Virginia by voting against these dangerous anti-Americans. And/or helping to get them defeated. If you're not in Va, please donate to Ed Gillespie and John Adams' campaigns.
     
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    Born in Virginia, raised much of my childhood in Virginia, but currently serving an exile in Texas, so I can't help you out on the voting front.
     
  3. Hokie_PhD

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    I appreciate the thought. Please make all your family and friends here aware of the danger these two pose. Any help is appreciated.
     
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    I got your back Hokie-Phd Im down here in SW side and I feel all gun owners will cast their VOTES !!!! Go Hokies !! Its Beamer Ball to save our gun Laws !
     
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  5. tommy.duncan

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    I live in NOVA and I am voting against Northam and Herring.
     
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    The Republican candidate for governor is a poster child for kind of person that should never be elected into public office. A political insider professional lobbyist. It's people like him that allow top several percent to suck up all the wealth of this great country.
     
  7. Hokie_PhD

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    I'm with you 100%, unfortunately he's a much better option then the alternative. To me he's the GOP version of what we currently have without the skeletons in the closet.

    So as much as I don't like him, I'd rather vote for him then someone who is actively trying to take our rights away.

    I voted in the primary. The choices weren't great and I suspect something fishy. But dealing with how to address the problems with two messed up parties isn't the priority. Right now ensuring that we don't become another CA is.

    And the only way not to become another CA is to elect pro 2nd Amendment candidates.
     
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    Same here.

    Regardless of who wins the governorship, the key to gun rights will be the General Assembly. Remember that McAuliffe was for gun restrictions too, but he didn't get anywhere.

    Pro-gun people (and conservatives generally) like to criticize the politics of Northern Virginia, but we have to keep things in perspective. NoVa is part of the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area, the largest employer within which is the federal government. When people move to the area to work for the government, they have a choice of which jurisdiction in which to live -- D.C., Maryland, or Virginia. Given the laws and general ambiance, the more conservative of the government workers have tended to locate in Virginia. (I know I did when I moved here in 1970.) Therefore, whatever else you might say, NoVa skews more conservative (and more pro-gun) than D.C. or the Maryland suburbs. Yes, this is a matter of degree and I know it's small comfort to our friends from Southside Virginia.

    Getting back to the governor's race, there's no question that Northam will win Northern Virginia. But if Gillespie can at least be competitive here, he has a chance of carrying the state as a whole. Gillespie, Establishment as he is, will do better in Northern Virginia than Stewart (the loser in the primary) would have done. This is not a replay of the McAuliffe-Cuccinelli race, that was far more polarizing.
     
  9. PabloJ

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    I been telling Democrats to stop trying to limit access of law abiding citizens to guns. The whole thing make no sense someone pro-choice should be pro-gun while someone pro-life should be anti-gun. It's just common sense. They have inner city and minority votes in bag and just need to appeal to small town folks. It is hopeless Democrats don't listen and will continue to loose elections they should win rather easily. I will not be surprised if Gillespie wins.
     
  10. Craig_VA

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    This is precisely why folks voting in NoVA should not sit home in despair thinking, "we will be stuck with our extremely anti-gun state legislators anyway, so why vote?" Even though we will be outvoted on our local senators and members of the general assembly our votes WILL COUNT in the races for governor, lieutenant governor, and attorney general. Consider how the national narrative would be different if all the Republicans in the three Pacific Coast states, New York, and Massachusetts had actually gone to the polls in 2016!
     
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    My State Senator, Chap Petersen (34th District), is not blatantly antigun. I met him once in person when he was canvassing my neighborhood, and was able to give him my views on gun control. Yes, he voted against a proposal to enshrine a Castle Doctrine, but Virginia already has that in practice. (The gun-rights groups were actually against that proposal, as I recall.) As a onetime advisor to Jim Webb, Petersen exemplifies the more-or-less socially conservative wing of the Democratic Party. He won the senate seat by defeating Jeannemarie Devolites Davis, the Republican, who despite having been endorsed by the NRA earlier in her career, had "evolved" into a strong antigunner by the time she reached the state senate. Strangely, in that 2007 race, the Republican was more antigun than the Democrat.

    Incidentally, the "pro-gunners" who "evolve" into antigunners (such as NY Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand) do so in response to surveys among their (new or old) constituents. Politicians, almost by definition, do not have permanent principles. They bend according to expediency. Therefore, from the point of view of pro-gun activism, the people we have to convince are not the politicians, but the voters themselves. Believe me, the message will filter through to the politicians.
     
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    I am confident that the Republican LG candidate is solid on gun rights. She had a shaky quote after New Town, but has since recanted on that and been a strong pro-gun legislator. If you can't vote for Gillespie, vote against Northam; But I feel good about voting FOR Vogel.
     
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    So what? This is a binary choice. The Democratic candidate, Northam, is a rabid antigun crusader. I get his emails and campaign mailings all the time, and he doesn't lose an opportunity to push "assault weapon" bans, 10-round magazine limits, one-gun-a-month limits, and so on. There isn't a gun restriction invented that he doesn't like. I'm not a Republican or a conservative, but I'm voting for Gillespie out of simple self-preservation. Considering the kind of guns that I collect, I feel that there's a target being painted on my back by the Democrats.
     
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    I'm in Leesburg and I am definitely voting for my rights. I especially like my delegate, Minchew. One of his stands is to make the VA roads better. I have cars that really like twisty roads. In the last year, there have been so many of them repaved. Makes them even more fun. And he votes pro 2A. :thumbup:
     
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    Well said! More, work to get those voters to the polls regardless of whether their local candidates aren't to their liking or not. The state wide positions carry great weight in political choices you'll end up with for years after the polls close.
     
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    Post-mortem: Despite Gillespie's loss, there was at least one bright spot for gun owners in this election.

    It turns out that gun control was a net losing issue for Northam. According to a CNN exit poll, voters that listed guns (pro or con) as an important issue for them, broke 50% for Gillespie and 48% for Northam. This means that gun-activist Virginians are 50% pro-gun versus 48% antigun. This also implies that Northam would have done slightly better had he kept quiet about guns. His antigun stance mobilized voters for Gillespie. (He needs to be reminded of this.)
     
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    That is a bright spot, albeit a small one. It was kind of depressing watching the election results roll in. Who knows what kinda nonsense we will have to fight against in the coming years.
     
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    It was a dark day for my beloved Virginia. Not only did the anti gun Dems Win, they picked up 12 seats in the House of Delegates including Chris Hurst who ran to avenge his fiance’s death.

    Hurst is a huge danger to us as he said no gun laws could have stopped the loss of his fiancé but he was massive gun control. Worse he lied over and over once he realized this wouldn’t get him elected so he shifted to other issues and dodged his extreme views during the campaign.

    I’m not sure what we do now. But this showed we didn’t work hard enough before the primaries and elections.
     
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    What else could have been done? The NRA did what it could, sending out the usual flyers and publishing a Rifleman insert, etc.

    Part of the problem is that gun owners had zero input on the Democratic side. I believe that Tom Perriello (a left-populist from western Virginia who lost the primary to Northam) would actually have been better on guns than Northam. Pro-gun Democrats, in the mold of Jim Webb, have vanished to the point of extinction, and in the long run this is a very bad thing for gun rights. Gun rights must not be a one-party issue; if they are, they rise and fall with the fortunes of that one party. It's best to hedge our bets.
     
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    Take Democrats to the shooting range. I have. I don't think you'll necessarily convert them to pro-2A, but you might at least make them less rabidly anti-2A once they have a little knowledge and experience. Better yet, bring a suppressor with you so they can see how loud a suppressed firearm is, unlike the movies.

    Unfortunately, the fight in support of the Bill of Rights is never over.
     
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    I've said for a long time that the two party system is destroying our country. Nothing in law says we must have two parties. Only tradition and the big money keep it that way. It's easier to buy candidates on both sides when you only have two candidates to fund.

    The founder of University of Phoenix said that they give the maximum to both sides to whoever is elected is in debt to them. Trump said similar stuff.

    The bottom line is we're not organized, we're not fighting the battles every day and we wonder why we wind up with candidates like Gilesspie who is a career politician who is more problem than solution.

    I think what we need to do is GET ORGANIZED. We need to figure out how to do things EVERY DAY to get the people who aren't voting and who don't care to get involved. To work for POSITIVE CHANGE, and to show the MSM and the far left that most of us are in the center and not the extremes. yes we can be far right or left on specific issues, but most people are in the middle on most things.

    We need to raise money. We just can't count on the NRA. Don't get me wrong, I've become a big supporter of the NRA. But they can only do so much and they only do what they can with the resources they have.

    As you can imagine, I'm really in a foul mood. This is bad, hopefully the state Senate will hold off until we can regroup and fight back.

    Oh and I think we need to work for an ELECTORAL COLLEGE for statewide office. I'm sick of Northern Va dictating who is elected to statewide and national office.
     
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    I can go for that in Florida too
     
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    Actually, the constitutional framework, as a practical matter, mandates a 2-party system. Part of this has to do with single-member congressional districts. It comes down to a binary choice within each district. To have a European-style multiparty system, you would have to have some form of proportional representation (for starters).
     
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    I don't see where having a congressional representative has anything to do with requiring a two party system. There is NOTHING in law that says we must have only two parties.

    And we don't need to modify anything to support more parties. Well except for changing the rules that Congress and the Senate have enacted to protect the two party system.

    If you do some searching of history you'll see how the Dems and GOP have worked hard to fight other parties from being on the ballot. Over the last 25 years or so we've seen progress with the growth of parties such as the Libertarian party and to a less degree the Green Party. Both have finally managed to get onto the ballot in all states (if I'm not mistaken) While I think the Greens aren't qualified to run anything, and the Libertarians have a bunch of awful candidates, they're growing and IMHO that's a good thing. The "Tea party" was also an interesting movement and might have spun off into another party had they had better leadership. And let's not forget Ross Perot, and Jesse Ventura and the populist movement and how they almost became a serious party (until Perot realized he could win, then pulled out then got back in etc).

    In any case, we need to start working to end the BS of both parties. I'm one who voted for the GOP slate not because I liked them but because the Dem alternative was much worse. Frankly I'm sick and tired of it and think it's time to do something. If we don't I think we'll see ugliness the likes of which we've never seen in the USA. Actually we've seen it with the Alexandria shooting of GOP congressmen and the attack on Rand Paul. I DO NOT want to see what's next if we don't stop the nonsense.
     
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    It saddens me to look back on over four decades of voting and admit that the majority of my votes have been against a candidate I wished to avoid rather than for a truly favored candidate.

     
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