Please no Conspiracy Theories in the Gunstore

[beatledog7]

We must not trust the federal government, and we must not shout down those who peacefully support out fight to remain free, whatever their tactics.

The obvious deceptions, thinly-veiled subversions and blatant lies coming out of Washington every day tell me that most of those crooks will stop at nothing to enhance their own wealth and power. That includes removing the wealth and power of the rest of us, the ones they supposedly work for but for whom they have little regard.

 

[Sol]

I would rather deal with the conspiracy types than the urbanized white youth with no sense of safety and a vernacular incapable of completeing a sentence without the use of the F-word, "gnome sayin" and "you feel me dog" that I'm used to seeing.

 

[JohnBT]

"i ask you, what's crazier?

chemtrails or fast and furious?"


There's hard evidence of F&F.


I think anyone who believes the entire government is evil and out to get them is naïve beyond the point of help.

 

[itsa pain]

there are two types of people those who get a govt check and those who don't and both are easy to pick out

 

[Sam Cade]

I think anyone who believes the entire government is evil and out to get them is naïve beyond the point of help.

Yeah, what kinda nut would think that their government would engage in the wholesale slaughter of certain classes of their fellow citizens.



I mean...it has only happened a couple dozen times or so within living human memory.



Not to say that "chemtrails" have any connection to reality.

 

[hang fire]

This may have been done before but I was just in the local gun store talking and picking up fishing licenses and one of guys I was talking to nice guy but was going on about this that and the other that the government does. It makes the rest of us look bad and may drive away potential gun owners who come in. So please leave out side the gun store.

Right, how dare we speak out when being demonized as killers of women and children.

One does not have to be paranoid to know they are out to get you.

 

[Averageman]

If I owned a Gun Store,
I would ask some folks to please just leave!
I would have a tin foil hat under the counter and ask some folks to put it on for a photo! Of course I would line the walls with photo's and some of them would get frames!
I would hand the guy who brought his kid in some windex and paper towels to get the little finger prints and snot off my display glass!
I would ask that red neck to leave his spit bottle and dip in the car if he can't dip without spitting every 30 seconds!
I would hand out stupid question cards and stamp them everytime you asked a stupid question. 3 stamps and your out!
If you pointed the muzzle of one of my guns at me when you were handling it you would wake up in Shanghi.
If you ever said which is better 9mm or .45acp in a crowded room full of customers, the trap door in the floor would open; yep, wake up in Shanghi !

I guess I know why I dont own a Gun Store!

 

[Ryanxia]

Reference: 1st Amendment.

I try to keep the conversation light when there's new customers in the shop but to every man his freedom of speech is essential (and certainly not unwarranted during these times).

 

[rondog]

Oh man, you guys wanna hear drivel and lunacy in a gun shop - I know a little shop in Kansas I could send you to! Place was actually pretty large, and packed with stuff, but I couldn't see anything because there was only one lightbulb, and the nutcase running the place talked NON-STOP for two hours!

Considering the location of this place (9 miles of dirt road at minimum and surrounded by wheat fields and pastures), he had a STAGGERING amount of guns and accessories in there, and said there were lots more locked up in safes in the house, basement and other buildings. Unreal, but he was as crazy as an outhouse rat.

 

[oneounceload]

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[Axel Larson]

I love xkcd this is the one I was thinking of http://xkcd.com/258/

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

It needs to be discussed. We need to be a little uncomfortable....it's getting uncomfortable.

 

[Bob N. Weave]

We're all gonna die!

I have to go hide now, I hear the black helicopter coming!

 

[Moparnut]

The sad part is these folks really believe this stuff. The really sad part is sometimes I egg them on, to see how much more nutty they can get.

 

[Axel Larson]

Wow people seriously not that left leaning actually I consider myself a libertarian. All i am saying is please leave the aliens are coming out of the gun store if you don't I cannot stop you and do believe you are entitled to you're opinion. Just during these times it is best to stick to the FACTS, so instead of saying there was not an ar 15 at sandy hook, say that from the reports the ar 15 was found in the car which would suggest it was not even used, see the difference. Because hopefully coming out of this mess we will realize that one pointing fingers at certain political parties is useless, keeping track of votes on gun control bills and voting out those who supported them is not. So it does not endear us to others when we sound less than professional. Also it is not elitist to ask someone not to do something it would be elitist to demand they not do something but think it is fine you to do.

 

[Rollis R. Karvellis]

A gun store with out a couple of conspiracies, is like a boat dock without the one that I, let go/got away.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

In this vein, probably should limit our discussions on what we hear from Fox news as well at the local gun store. To many folks it sounds the same.

 

[Axel Larson]

and CNN is just as bad. But again all I am saying is I think it is best to stick to the facts.

 

[Davek1977]

so instead of saying there was not an ar 15 at sandy hook, say that from the reports the ar 15 was found in the car which would suggest it was not even used, see the difference.

No, actually, i see NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL between EITHER of those statements, as both hold the same degree of truth....NONE. There was NOT an "AR-15" found in the car....it was a shotgun. ONE report, in the early goings, ID'd it as an AR, and people have been running wild with that theory ever since, though there's no factual basis for it. For someone who wants to condemn talk of conspiracy, and who says to know the facts, I may suggest taking a bit of your own advice. Otherwise, you're guilty of the exacgt sort of thing that seems to upset you so.

Just like some dont like to be told what tey can and cant do with their guns, some don't like to be told what they can and can't talk about.

 

[Cryogaijin]

"Reality is more complicated than that."

That is my view on most "spurg" that people bloviate at me. Beit 3rd wave feminism, Environmentalism, conspiracy theories, American Exceptionalism, etc, generally the "spurg" is so simplistic that I'd expect it out of the mouth of a 5 year old.

Now I love a good discussion, and I love taking a devil's advocate position to nearly any topic, but please, if you're going to start a consipiracy discussion, back your <ddeleted> up.

Keep in mind that the Federal Government is the single largest employer in the US BY FAR, so attributing any monolithic concept to it is going to be simply WRONG. Hell, attributing any monolithic concept to a political party tends to be simply wrong (Unless it is the foundation of the party, IE Libertarians are always for smaller government. Just HOW small is up for debate.)

If it is a negative for me to hear people in gunshops gong on about oversimplistic conspiracy theories, I can only imagine how bad it is for my more liberal friends. Virtually ALL of my friends are far more "liberal" than I am, and all of them are into firearms and the RTKaAB. (Largely my influence. I will take any of my friends, coworkers, or acquaintances to the gun range, free of charge and teach the simple 4 laws gun safety, and let them fire a wide range of firearms. Generally they then turn around and buy a couple of their own.)

IMO, the best thing responsible members of the community can do is be as accomodating to new and prospective members of the community and do everything to show >>US<< in a good light. Want to talk Bad Government Laws? Pick specific laws, don't talk in generalities. Want to talk about how evil a certain female senator from CA is? Be specific. To quote wikipedia "Citation Needed"

 

[Creature]

"To be suspicious is not a fault. To be suspicious all the time without coming to a conclusion is the defect. " -Terence

 

[Reloadron]

This may have been done before but I was just in the local gun store talking and picking up fishing licenses and one of guys I was talking to nice guy but was going on about this that and the other that the government does. It makes the rest of us look bad and may drive away potential gun owners who come in. So please leave out side the gun store.

The nicest thing about owning your own gun shop is you and nobody else controls it. When my wife and I had our shop we ideas of what a good gun shop should be.

There was always a coffee pot full of hot coffee.

Conversations were limited to guns making for some entertaining and good discussion.

Religion and politics including conspiracy theories were left at the door. I did not want rumor control running rampant in my shop.

How any shop owner chooses to run their business is entirely up to them. People who did not like my rules were free to leave and take their business to another shop. When anyone objected they were free to start paying my rent, insurance, utilities and other cost associated with running a gun shop.

Just My Take....
Ron

 

[rodinal220]

Its funny how the average citizen is a kook if they talk about
"govt conspiracies" but the govt has no problem with charging you with and prosecuting you for conspiracy against the govt.

 

[Sam1911]

Oh, it would be a beautiful dream if, all across the land, when folks entered a gun shop they found it clean, well-lit, well-stocked, and staffed by polite, well-dressed, well groomed and bathed folks who know things that are true and who manage to limit their conversation to concise factual statements aimed at helping folks make wise choices and completing transactions in a timely manner.

Dare to dream!

But that just isn't real life, most of the time. Why do we care that it happens in gun shops? I mean, if you were to go into most any other establishment (barber shop, auto repair garage, accountant's office, the nurses' station at the local hospital, the police department ... probably ANYWHERE) and start quizzing folks about what they know or think they know or believe, you'd find an appalling set of crazy ideas, mistaken beliefs and convictions, lies they've swallowed from the "MSM" and politicians, and pet theories about the powers-that-be who are threatening the staus quo of their area of interest.

Is it any crazier to hear your local gun shop clerk spout off about Sandy Hook being an "inside job" to get folks to swallow new gun control laws than it is to hear your auto-body repair guy rant about how the EPA is in a conspiracy with big chains to try and drive small shops out of business with their new non-VOC paint requirements? Or the nurses to complain that TPTB are trying to force more experienced, higher-paid, staff out of their positions so they can fill them with bargain-basement low-wage labor fresh out of junior college? And on and on.

Everybody's crazy. We just get embarrassed when "our" folks show off how nutzo folks on "our" side can be. But there's little that can be done about it except on a shop-by-shop basis and then only if there's strong company leadership willing to demand better of the staff.

 

[Axel Larson]

I realize that pretty much sums it up Sam but I would just hate to have someone walk in to look at maybe buying their first gun or was just interested that there was a gun shop and wanted to check it out and before having a chance to really look around and get informed was scared off by someone saying that all Democrats are evil or how you can make an ar full auto very easily and it works great, there are many more I have heard, Also not sure why I am being persecuted for not wanting to scare away potential gun owners.
And yes sorry about that you are right it was a shotgun not an ar, does anyone know if they have released a coroner's report yet or when they will?