Police Officers a Privileged Class?

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I would be nice if cops would stop that type of behavior and tear down the "thin blue line". It would result in a lot more respect.

So basically you don't believe in any kind of brotherhood, comraderie or special bond between a certain group? I find that strange since by being a member here and posting you are becoming a part of a group of firearms owners who stand behind each other and help each other in times of need.

But your right.....why on earth should police officers be entitled to a similar type of brotherhood?
 
"In the criminal's mind it is self defense" - The last time I heard that logic it was from a, well, criminal .
The cops are a special class. Call'em what you like, centurions or sheepdogs, they are not the same as everybody else. Yes, we chose the professsion voluntarily, some so they could throw their weight around, some for a steady check, and some who thought they could do Good Things and Make The World A Better Place.

I have always thought that requiring police service from everybody would reduce the bitchin'. As for professional courtesy, I have given and received it, and sometimes not. But I'll give any citizen the same break, if they can assure me that when I am rolling in the alley with some tweaked out crackhead that they will break the laws of physics to get to me and help, and if I dont make it out that they will teach my kid to throw a ball, and help my widowed wife to pump out the basement when the water heater leaks and I am not there to fix it, and tell the pups why certain unit numbers are'nt in use, because they belong to those guys and girls whose pictures are in the lobby, and that my daughter can hide my shield in the boquet of flowers she is carrying during her wedding, when one of my former partners walks her down the aisle. Will you do that for me? After all, we'll die for you.

I voluntarily became a cop, and I loved it. I spent half my career doing kiddie crimes, the worst of the worst (DMF?) and while I may not have accomplished much, some kids are in better shape than when I found them. Now your complaint that my mags carry 3 more rounds than yours may have some validity. But in the big picture, I really do not think it matters.
 
I really dont see this so much as a cop v.s citizen issue. Although the article aims in that direction. LE and its behavior, as any government force, agency or body, reflects the larger question of respecting individual American sovereignty. And the place of master (the people) and servant (govt) within that dynamic, under the supreme inherent law of our constitution.

If cops, judges, politicians and the lot are not being subjected to the same laws that govern the people. Than we are now speaking of outlaws. Public servants who, for whatever reason, believe themselves exempt from the laws that they enforce. This is tyranny and corruption anyway you read it. There is nothing more dangerous to me than a public servant who acts beyond the law. And no greater definition of a criminal. :fire:
 
I spent half my career doing kiddie crimes, the worst of the worst (DMF?)
I've had a variety of cases, and yes, those dealing with victimized kids are the worst.
 
Now your complaint that my mags carry 3 more rounds than yours may have some validity. But in the big picture, I really do not think it matters.

you may not think it matters out of ignorance it doesnt change the fact you are privileged.

your so called 3 more rounds I couldnt care less. you see 3 rounds. for a pistol. me I see 90 rounds for a rifle. how do you feal bout that. the common citizen is restricted by 90 rounds vs leo with m4 and 100 round magazine. little high and unlikely in most situations how about more realistic 20 rounds. sure preban are around for most guns 30 rounds. pretty old used and high in price and we got LEO's buying them up instead of buying LEO only junk driving prices up more so than the mere law has already done.

in my state LEO/military can use short barreled rifles/shotguns and have fullauto. not one citizen that is not a FFL dealer can own one despite the federal regulations. background check,finger prints,$200 tax and months of waiting. we dont get the privilege. yet that doesnt matter to you cause it doesnt affect you. so go ahead sit on your HighHorse. I am not anti LEO I am against breaking the constitution of the state I live in so a class can get its privilege. :cuss: :fire:

Ignore \Ig*nore"\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Ignored; p. pr. & vb.
n. Ignoring.] [L. ignorare; pref. in- not + the root of
gnarus knowing, noscere to become acquainted with. See
Know, and cf. Narrate.]
1. To be ignorant of or not acquainted with. [Archaic]

Philosophy would solidly be established, if men
would more carefully distinguish those things that
they know from those that they ignore. --Boyle.

2. (Law) To throw out or reject as false or ungrounded; --
said of a bill rejected by a grand jury for want of
evidence. See Ignoramus.

3. Hence: To refuse to take notice of; to shut the eyes to;
not to recognize; to disregard willfully and causelessly;
as, to ignore certain facts; to ignore the presence of an
objectionable person.

Ignoring Italy under our feet, And seeing things
before, behind. --Mrs.
Browning.

Ignorance \Ig"no*rance\, n. [F., fr. L. ignorantia.]
1. The condition of being ignorant; the want of knowledge in
general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state
of being uneducated or uninformed.

Ignorance is the curse of God, Knowledge the wing
wherewith we fly to heaven. --Shak.

2. (Theol.) A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge
which one may acquire and it is his duty to have. --Book
of Common Prayer.

Invincible ignorance (Theol.), ignorance beyond the
individual's control and for which, therefore, he is not
responsible before God.

Privilege \Priv"i*lege\, n. [F. privil[`e]ge, L. privilegium an
ordinance or law against or in favor of an individual; privus
private + lex, legis, law. See Private, and Legal.]
1. A peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor; a right or
immunity not enjoyed by others or by all; special
enjoyment of a good, or exemption from an evil or burden;
a prerogative; advantage; franchise.

Iowa Constition:
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/Constitution.html
ARTICLE I.
BILL OF RIGHTS.
Laws uniform. SEC. 6. All laws of a general nature shall have a uniform operation; the general assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or class of citizens, privileges or immunities, which, upon the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens.

http://www.state.ia.us/government/d...ode/cd99724.htm
724.1 Offensive weapons.
An offensive weapon is any device or instrumentality of the following types:
1. A machine gun. A machine gun is a firearm which shoots or is designed to shoot more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
2. A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun. A short-barreled rifle or short-barreled shotgun is a rifle with a barrel or barrels less than sixteen inches in length or a shotgun with a barrel or barrels less than eighteen inches in length, as measured from the face of the closed bolt or standing breech to the muzzle, or any rifle or shotgun with an overall length less than twenty-six inches.
3. Any weapon other than a shotgun or muzzle loading rifle, cannon, pistol, revolver or musket, which fires or can be made to fire a projectile by the explosion of a propellant charge, which has a barrel or tube with the bore of more than six-tenths of an inch in diameter, or the ammunition or projectile therefor, but not including antique weapons kept for display or lawful shooting.

http://www.state.ia.us/government/d...99724.htm#724.2
724.2 Authority to possess offensive weapons.
Any of the following is authorized to possess an offensive weapon when the person's duties or lawful activities require or permit such possession:
1. Any peace officer.
2. Any member of the armed forces of the United States or of the national guard.
3. Any person in the service of the United States.
4. A correctional officer, serving in an institution under the authority of the Iowa department of corrections.
5. Any person who under the laws of this state and the United States, is lawfully engaged in the business of supplying those authorized to possess such devices.
6. Any person, firm or corporation who under the laws of this state and the United States is lawfully engaged in the improvement, invention or manufacture of firearms.
 
Sir, as an individual LEO my access to Class 3 weapons, AOWs, SBRs and DDs is the same as everyone elses' - I fill out the same forms, go through the same checks and pay the same taxes as you do. My agency may have these, but that is no different than the military. I believe some states even strip retired and ex-officers of normal cap magazines.

Contrary to what you may believe, its not all beer and babes. I have'nt seen a Beta Mag used in LE in, like, forever. The agencies I worked for were hard pressed to put tires on cruisers, let alone provide guns. (Many of our long guns were confiscated ones that the court remanded to the agency - you dont see those reviewed in SWAT, do you) Try to keep in mind, also, one basic truth: the odds of any given cop getting into a gun fight are tiny. All other things being equal, the odds of any given citizen getting into a gun fight are tinier by far. If you are uncomfortable with the capacity of your firearm, I would recommend making sure you get hits with whats you gots (This from a guy carrying a 1911). Dont get all sour grapey and begrudge us our tools. Are you angry because we have them, or are you angry because you do not?

As for offensive weapons, uh uh no way - everything I have up to and including the precision rifles are defensive weapons - I dont "offend" anybody:D
 
Sir, as an individual LEO my access to Class 3 weapons, AOWs, SBRs and DDs is the same as everyone elses' - I fill out the same forms, go through the same checks and pay the same taxes as you do

no you dont fill out the same forms or go through the same checks and pay the same taxes as I do. In Iowa only LEO's defined in Authority to possess Offensive weapons get to. I am not privileged. IF it ever changed I would love to endure the $200 tax the fingerprints and months waiting per federal law. I would still disagree but it would be better than I am now.

you do offend someone. the anti's. but thats not such a bad thing. then again the anti's will most likely never affect LEO's privilege. the bad thing is it offends the common non-leo citizens in states where theyre weapons privileges are less than, not equal to LEO's and others defined by Iowas Authority to possess offensive weapons. despite Iowas constitution saying
Iowa Constition:
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/Constitution.html
ARTICLE I.
BILL OF RIGHTS.
Laws uniform. SEC. 6. All laws of a general nature shall have a uniform operation; the general assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or class of citizens, privileges or immunities, which, upon the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens.

if millions ignore or are ignorant of one section of the constitution why not ignore or be ignorant of the rest of the sections. shouldnt LEO's enforce the constitution as well as the code? Iowa is but a clear example I have would love to see other individuals from other states to type fourth with contradictions and cry foul. I am just glad I do not live in Illinois or California or other states where people do not enjoy the same rights and privilege which enable them.
 
I mind the first time I heard the phrase, "cop killer."

It was back in 1970, or thenabouts. I was poking around the dorm at Ga. Tech, trying to entice a cat to come out of the bushes, when one of the security guards noticed me and came up to see what I was doing. Now this was a time when it was still unheard of that colleges would have actual police forces, with (I think) illegal police powers. This was a nice old retired guy, and we got to talking. I don't remember how the subject came up, but he said something (as near as I can recall) about how "cop killers" didn't get punished as harshly as they deserved. Now, I was nice to the old guy, and didn't want to p*ss him off (it had dawned on me by this time that he was probably a retired policeman), but I remember feeling shocked that anyone would think a cop's life worth more than that of any other human being.
 
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