Police raid high school; place kids on floor at gunpoint.

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The most disturbing part was Lt. Buzzcut talking in his robot voice about "Ze Taktiks Ve Chooz to Yooz"

I sure F***ing hope this makes some people wake up and understand that Prohibition II (AKA The War on Drugs) is a bunch of crap. The only things the War on Drugs has accomplished is to raise the price of drugs, justify bureaucrats' budget requests, make drug dealers rich, and destroy our rights.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: In law school, every case that in my Criminal Law and Criminal Procedure classes that dealt with the Supreme Court chipping away at the 4th Amendment was a drug case. THAT should tell you something.
 
And let me guess, Reefer Madness made perfect sense to you Sporty. Let me tell you now, I am your enemy. I stand for everything you would trample on. Use your radio and use it often. Bah, cats. Each & every one. How do you feel about people using drugs in the privacy of their own home Sport? Morality police make me want to puke. What's your say?
 
And let me guess, Reefer Madness made perfect sense to you Sporty. Let me tell you now, I am your enemy. I stand for everything you would trample on. Use your radio and use it often. Bah, cats. Each & every one. How do you feel about people using drugs in the privacy of their own home Sport? Morality police make me want to puke. What's your say?

Perhaps someone needs to smoke some more pot and calm down.

I'm not the morality police and do not portray myself as. I see what happened today as a case of a school administration fed up with thugs, weapons, drugs, and violence in his school. He called in the police to try and rid his school of this scum. Unfortunately things didn't go as planned.

As far as drugs go, do what you want in your own home. But if your drug use affects my life, or the ones I love, then we have a problem.[
 
Originally posted by Sportcat
I see what happened today as a case of a school administration fed up with thugs, weapons, drugs, and violence in his school. He called in the police to try and rid his school of this scum. Unfortunately things didn't go as planned.

It seems more like a case of inept school administers who dont know how to do thier job.

If he knew who these "thugs" were then why didnt he just get a police officer or two to accomply them to thier classrooms and pick them up.

Apparently he has no clue as to what is going on in his school, yet he has his suspicions. So instead of finding out who is doing what and taking appropriate action he assumes everyone is a suspect and lets the police have thier way with his students.

When nothing was found his response is "oh they must have gotten away." Yeah that is a likely story. :rolleyes:
 
This does seem to be a little extreme.
I think that at even the very best, this was a poorly thought-out plan.
My reasoning is as follows:
You should never pull a gun unless you are completely ready to use it, and you know that you will have need of it.
We all know this.
All it would have taken would have been for one cop to trip, stumble, or just have something startle him and someone could have gotten killed.
At best it was completely irresponsible.
 
Back in my days of HS in late 80's, if students were suspected of having pot the principle or whoever would search the locker, confront the student and call the cops (maybe). Reasonable suspicion and confronting the student is the direct way of taking care of the problem without treating everyone as guilty. This is totally overboard. Comparing this to Columbine is ridiculous. At Columbine the police refused to go into the school. Comparing the school to a crack house is also ridiculous. Nobody is forced to go to a crack house for 12 years as a child.

Does anybody who agrees with tactics used by this school feel comfortable if they employed the same tactics in your neighborhood (going door to door with guns drawn because there is a suspected drug dealer on your street)?
 
I see what happened today as a case of a school administration fed up with thugs,
The irony is incredible, there is a supposed thug problem, which is to be solved by trapping kids in a hallway, throwing them around, and pointing guns at them.
Out of the close to a hundred students how many where found??
Out of the close to a hundred students how many where found??
and violence in his school.
Yea throwing kids around at gun point, to prevent violence.

I feel so much better knowing the police are willing to trap kids against walls and beat them. Even if the allegations were true this raid was as wrong as it could be. Police abuse is a bigger threat to children then drugs will ever be.
 
I see what happened today as a case of a school administration fed up with thugs, weapons, drugs, and violence in his school. He called in the police to try and rid his school of this scum. Unfortunately things didn't go as planned.
As far as drugs go, do what you want in your own home. But if your drug use affects my life, or the ones I love, then we have a problem.
Is that how you see it? No overzealousness on the part of the popo? The end justifies the means? You sure do read a lot into a drug raid Mr. Man. Thugs, weapons, scum, violence? You've conjured up a few warrents in your lifetime, eh? Creative cat! I’m with you on drugs in school. Are you for decrimiminalzation? Is it ok for me to do heroin in my house? State your true stance now.
I guess you trample on the 2nd Amend too. Because that is something i whole-heartedly believe in.
Because I call your endorsement of Gestapo tactics as B.S? Please. Your stance weakens with every post. What DO you want?

Perhaps someone needs to smoke some more pot and calm down.
And you can take some doctor prescribed zanex and all is klas Herr Kommisar? I don’t think so. But try again. Your steam is billowing, much to my and other's amusement.
 
Violence isn't a problem if the victims are kids and the criminals are pigs.

So Sportster, you refuse to answer a very fundamental question. If your place of employment were raided with no warrant (the boss thought something might be going on that was illegal), you or a coworker were thrown to the ground or jacked up against a wall, and repeatedly had a loaded gun pointed at your head as Officer Brownshirt screams threats at you. Once everyone is cowed, they conduct a search and find nothing.

You still be ok with that?


The problem, as I see it, is that you hate kids. You think they're a bunch of eeeeeeevvvviiiiilllll little hooligans who deserve everything they get. They have no rights. Basically, you feel about kids as Sarah Brady, Hitlery, Chuckie Schumer et al feel about gunowners. They're sub-humans who need to be ruled by their betters ie you.
 
. Mod's, please don't say "more heat than light" on this one. If a cop jacks me against the car & slams my face into the hood for a minor traffic infraction I should take it? He's goin' down. Better get on the radio, call your buddy's And that's far less than gun point. At the juncture of gunpoint, I figure you're considering killing me. Ain't gonna fly. These kids did no wrong.
 
Basically it comes down to there being only two posters who see this as a legitimate raid -- and one of those has even conceded that firearms were, indeed, pointed at the kids. Yet they unflaggingly continue to defend this action. I have no idea why this is so but, to each his own.

Below is something I wrote several years ago on zero-tolerance. It was published as a guest editorial commentary piece in the Attleboro, MA Sun-Chronicle. Note the part near the bottom where I said "When we treat everyone as a criminal, a ne’er-do-well, a druggie, a purveyor; we also create hostile, disrespectful, angry human beings that will at some point live up to those expectations."

Let's hope that these kids fail that test.

The Death Of Goodness In America

by Jim Peel

I was exiting a local warehouse club recently and was greeted at the door by the obligatory person who checks your receipt against the goods in your cart. I thought “Treat everyone as though they are a thief and no one can complain.†I later heard the President say on television that we have reached a level of zero-tolerance in America. I thought “Treat everyone as though they are a criminal and no one can complain.†The two were inexorably linked in my mind.

Most Americans can tell you that the death of common sense occurred years ago. What most fail to realize is that the death of goodness accompanied it.

Mandatory sentencing, due to the unwillingness or inability of judges to act against criminals, is one aspect of the equality in justice that has removed all semblance of cognizant thought from the process. Judges have their hands tied when it comes to sentencing; unable to differentiate between persons who broke the law with malice or those who simply fell astray. Any consideration of the motive of the accused is removed and everyone is treated as though they had heinous intent. Everyone is lumped together as a single evil entity.

Not even the President of the United States is exempt from this madness. Under the laws, as written, he has no choice but to impose sanctions on any nation that errs on any side but our own. The result is that the United States now has sanctions on many countries including some of our closest allies. Regardless of their true intent, all who err are treated as though they have the basest of intentions.

In the drunken logic of the modern bureaucrat the equality of treatment for all far outweighs the quality or fairness of that treatment. All things must be treated on an equal basis regardless of right or wrong. The problem is that when you treat all things equally you must always err on the side of evil over goodness. All things are viewed in their worst light. Of course this allows the bureaucrat of the moment to shirk any duty to fairness and relieves them of any, and all, responsibility for any, and all, decisions at any, and all, levels; i.e. the law is the law and it is out of my hands. Neat, concise, to the point.

Zero-tolerance is the primary example of this wrongheaded thinking. Everything is treated as equally bad and everyone is treated as equally evil. Under the guiding principles of zero-tolerance everything is at its worst. Every knife is a weapon. Every drug is a restricted drug. Every action contrary to the wishes of the authorities is evil.

When a girl picked up her mother’s lunch in error one day in Longmont, Colorado she didn’t realize there was a paring knife in the bag. Upon discovery of same, she brought it to the attention of her teacher, and was immediately expelled from school under zero-tolerance.

When a Providence, Rhode Island teenager used the screwdriver on his Swiss Army knife to tighten the screw on a computer case at school he was immediately suspended under zero-tolerance.

When a Denver, CO student handed out lemon drop candies to a few of his fellow students he was met with a barrage of criticism after the school panicked and called out the police, fire department, and paramedics. He was suspended under zero-tolerance.

When a girl in another city gave a girl at school an aspirin for “ladies cramps†she was immediately suspended under zero-tolerance.

What all of these kids have in common is that they were deemed to be the worst of persons with the worst of intentions; even though they were good kids and their intentions were good. They also share the common thread that it will be long and hard to bring them back to whatever respect they previously had for the system that wronged them..

What is the underlying cause for this anomaly in our nation? What has caused us to become so suspicious, so paranoid, so distrusting? In a word; litigation. Our litigious society has driven us over the brink and into the abyss from which we may never return. We now are so paranoid that if we treat one person in one manner, and another in another, we will be sued for the inequality of our actions. One, or the other, will sue us because of their real or perceived injury at our hands and we will do anything to prevent it; even the destruction of an entire generation of our children and their respect for the laws of the nation.

When we treat everyone as a criminal, a ne’er-do-well, a druggie, a purveyor; we also create hostile, disrespectful, angry human beings that will at some point live up to those expectations. We instill in the young that there is no goodness.

The time has come for the people of this nation to realize that zero-tolerance, and like laws, are destructive to our nation and our system of laws and government. The people of this nation must realize that it is time to do away with these destructive laws and return to the common sense approach to the laws that built this nation. Only through the destruction of these laws can we as a nation return to a system that seeks out and reveres goodness.
 
Sardines at dawn. Breath of a thousand camels. Don't ask me how I know. This is no joking matter. Although I joke, figure that out. You treat my kid like that... I am the alpha male of my family, you better have a damn good reason to mistreat my offspring. Everyone would like to think we're sooo civilized. We're not.

The principle:
I'll use whatever force I deem necessary to keep this campus safe and clean.
Peasants, eh? Screw you Mr. Principle and your local Gestapo. See how the school board feels about paying for your arrogance. It pisses cops (excuse me, some cops) off and principles off but too bad, stay within your jurisdiction. What a concept. Bah! It gets better and better. Fools.
 
It's times like these that I'm proud to be a SC resident :rolleyes: :banghead:

I watched the video. Overkill, no doubt about it. There were definitely much better ways to handle this situation, several of which have been addressed in this thread. I wonder how much of my stolen tax money was used in this raid? :fire:

I'm not a big fan of drugs in school, but I'm an even smaller fan of cops pointing guns at innocent students over some SUSPECTED doobie dealings. Yeah, some of the students MAY have been guilty, but definitely not all of the ones that were there. It is outrageous that the other students were treated this way when the cops KNEW WHO THE SUSPECTS WERE.
 
I'm okay with a "scared straight" program, but not when the scaring is done with threat of lethal force and when the "crookedness" is most likely sale of marijuana.

Mike, so can I go walk around a place where juveniles are known to deal drugs and attempt to scare them straight by pointing a gun at them and searching them? Even if I wouldn't get shot in the process, I can't even imagine doing that.
 
My brother is a cop

And it looks to me like this school has a police problem not a drug problem
kids going in and out of restrooms? big flipping deal!

When I was in highschool cops just took half of your dope and sent you on your way!
What ever happend to the good old days?
 
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