Police say guns from N.H., Maine, Vt. feeding crime in Boston

[Ironbarr]

Sounds more to me like a cry for help from an imprisoned people:

In Massachusetts, a resident who wants a handgun must pay $100 for a state-issued permit. Such permits are not required in New Hampshire, Maine or Vermont, where handgun buyers need only show identification proving they are state residents.

Though it's against federal law for a Massachusetts resident to buy a gun out of state and then return with it, the law can be circumvented by having a resident of another state buy several guns from a dealer and then sell or give them away, said Daniel Kumor, an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ne...uns_from_nh_maine_vt_feeding_crime_in_boston/

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[Aguila Blanca]

Though it's against federal law for a Massachusetts resident to buy a gun out of state and then return with it, the law can be circumvented by having a resident of another state buy several guns from a dealer and then sell or give them away, said Daniel Kumor, an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Moron. It can also be "circumvented" by simply making up a phony ID and buying it yourself. So what if it's illegal? By definition, we're talking about criminals here. Like they care if it's "illegal."

 

[Devonai]

Such permits are not required in New Hampshire, Maine or Vermont, where handgun buyers need only show identification proving they are state residents.

This is why violent crime is so much higher in these three states, right?

I went to the range yesterday and it was busier than I've ever seen it. It's nice to see not everybody on Black Friday was just buying more burglar bait.

 

[Chipperman]

Mumbles Menino is trying enlist "help" from Mayors in the Free states to "stem the tide of illegal guns" into MA.

He's a waste of Oxygen.

 

[jacobtowne]

It's all because of those "outside agitators"!!!
JT

 

[Lupinus]

but of course you are needed, after all those states have low crime rates cause you have all their guns

Has nothing to do with how many actual criminals there are and all

 

[Tory]

BATFE BS

"Though it's against federal law for a Massachusetts resident to buy a gun out of state and then return with it, the law can be circumvented by having a resident of another state buy several guns from a dealer and then sell or give them away, said Daniel Kumor, an agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."

The learned agent misspeaks.

It is PERFECTLY legal to buy a LONG ARM out-of-state, so long as the sale is legal in the state where it occurs, where the buyer lives and is duly recorded by an FFL. Mass. citizens buy rifles and shotguns at Riley's in Hooksett, NH and the Kittery Trading Post in Kittery, ME frequently and legally.

From BATFE's own website:

(F2) May a licensed dealer sell a firearm to a nonlicensee who is a resident of another state? [Back]

Generally, a firearm may not be lawfully sold by a licensed dealer to a nonlicensee who resides in a state other than the state in which the seller's licensed premises is located. However, the sale may be made if the firearm is shipped to a licensed dealer whose business is in the purchaser's state of residence and the purchaser takes delivery of the firearm from the dealer in his or her state of residence. In addition, a licensee may sell a rifle or shotgun to a person who is not a resident of the state where the licensee's business premises is located in an over-the-counter transaction, provided the transaction complies with state law in the state where the licensee is located and in the state where the purchaser resides and provided the sale complies with all applicable federal laws. [18 U. S. C. 922( b)( 3)]

Special Agent Kumor must be from the "Special Ed" class........

 

[scubie02]

this seems to be the liberal whine of the moment--got high crime despite strict gun control? Must be the fault of those neighboring states that don't have draconian laws! What else could possibly explain it!?! The gall of these people never ceases to amaze me.

 

[longeyes]

There they can go again: New England barbarians polluting a socialist paradise. Will it never end?

 

[geekWithA.45]

This whine comes up periodically, every time the masses take notice that their elite's schemes don't do anything of value.

Masses: "Uh...this isn't working"
Gun Bigots: "It would if it weren't for evil {insert name of nearest redish state}!"

Same BS cropped up last week for Camden blaming PHL & PA, same BS crops up periodically w/ DC blaming VA, etc, ad nauseum.

 

[makanut]

I wonder if there are more criminals in the city of Boston than in neighboring states surrounding Massachussetts? If there are more criminals in Boston than in states surrounding Mass, that could explain for a lot of criminal misuse of firearms. The manual states, "Always keep firearm pointed in a safe direction." I guess that criminals in Boston just haven't read the manual.

Since we can't get a handle on the crime problem, we have to place the blame on something beyond our control. WE CERTAINLY CAN'T BLAME THE CRIMINALS, so our failure is just a result of those "redneck states" lenient gun laws. The problem is clearly guns, not criminals. After all, a world without guns would be such a peaceful place, which explains why life during the Dark Ages was so tranquil.

 

[oweno]

Yep, blame us instead of your own legal system. Sort of like when a Massachusetts felon, having served his time in jail, rents a summer cottage in Hampton Beach, NH during February (it's cheap, see) and then, within 2 weeks, goes back to Massachusetts and commits <insert name of crime here>. The headline in the Boston Globe? "NH Man Held in <crime>".

Another thing, why do Massachusetts killers think that they can come up here to NH and dump the bodies of the people they kill. I mean, do they like think we're another country and there's no extradition or something? I don't get it. Then again, I do get it, it's the bad guys who don't. Whatever, our jails and prisons are full of Massachusetts residents and I, for one, am tired of it.

Well, anyway, you don't read much about "home invasions" in New Hampshire. I've been told that something like 70% of the homes in NH have some type of firearm ready at hand. Even the bad guys seem to know this. Same with burglary of an occupied home at night. A very, very dangerous thing to do in New Hampshire. People who commit this crime up here can - and do - get shot.

 

[NHBB]

if anything, as a resident of NH I constantly see a lot of crime committed by mass residents here.. maybe more than the actual locals when it comes to major crimes. seems everytime there is a big drug bust at least half the characters are of mass origin.

 

[Geno]

Oweno...I've gotta move there!

We live in a seemingly very nice neighborhood...except, somehow some scum from a neighboring city had found their way to our neighborhood. There were three break-ins within a month or so...one neighbor WAS home...grabbed his 4 foot long sword and chased the guy out. They caught the BG three miles away, having broken intoo YET ANOTHER home! :banghead:

Lordy that was stupid...he and his attorney blamed it on his
"medication"!

Doc2005

 

[scbair]

It's all about the money!

The state of NY is whining about the Southern States (caps intentional! ), and it has nothing to do with firearms! It seems NY has a $3.00 per pack tax on cigarettes. SC has a 7cents per pack tax. Nefarious "smugglers" are bootlegging truckloads of cigs to NY, and NY wants SC law enforcement to put a stop to it! To his credit, the head of our State Law Enforcement Division has dryly replied that SC law enforcers don't usually investigate folks who aren't violating the law in SC . . .

Of course, the cig smuggling activity has been a prime money-maker for organized crime for decades, but NY really needs that tax revenue, ya know?

 

[edave]

I beg to differ.

I'm always impressed with the hard-hitting, unbiased and intelligently reported stories from New England's preeminent news organization, the Boston Globe. This story is no exception. I commend the journalist for bringing this most important issue to her readers' attention.

Clearly, what Boston needs to do is follow San Francisco's enlightened lead and ban all guns.

This simple, common sense measure will undoubtedly solve the crime problem.

After all, gun bans are a proven strategy, one which has done wonders for the crime situations in Washington, D.C., and Chicago, IL, as shining examples. Doesn't Boston's Democratic Mayor Menino want to be able to say he led the charge to take the title of Murder Capital of America away from current titleholder (and periennial favorite) D.C.? I mean, D.C.'s already the nation's capital, do they have to have to hog all the top crime titles as well? Now, that's not really democratic, you know? Or is it?

Admittedly, with San Francisco's latest crafty maneuver, their preemptive strike, if you will, getting Boston’s violent crime numbers into truly nation-leading territory will no doubt be harder to achieve. (I'll bet the good Mayor is kicking himself that he didn't think of the "San Fran Option" first. Darnit.) But if Boston is to regain its long lost preeminence, taking its rightful place as "Boom Town" of the East (versus the more, uh, malodorous "Bean Town" mantle), there's not a moment to lose! I suggest those of our readers in the Bay State contact the Mayor and urge him to immediately begin campaigning for a total, complete, and utter ban on all guns in his fair city -- real, replica, or toy, you name it. And don't forget things like starter pistols and such. (Come on, those don’t have any real “Sporting Purpose”, do they?) Tell him to do it for the children.

Now I know some of the more cynical, no doubt much less highly educated and elite, folks out there will point to statements in the article such as

''Massachusetts has excellent gun laws," said Larry Mayes, the city's chief of human services. ''But . . . if the neighboring states around us are lax, then we need to look at some strategies to strengthen our state borders."

and point out that those neighboring states like New "Live Free or Die" Hampshire with their pesky lax gun laws and all those guns have much, much lower violent crime rates, but really, let's be honest. Can we seriously compare an elite, spohisticated state, sorry, Commonwealth, like Massachusetts, with those hicks up in cow land, I mean, New Hampshire? (No offense to our New Hampshire readers, of course. We don't mean you.) Folks, we're talking here about Massachusetts, the state that gave us the Kennedys, you know? What did New Hampshire ever give us but limited state government, no income taxes, and stuff with no sales tax? (Yes, I know Daniel Webster was born in New Hampshire -- please, didn't I already mention the Kennedys are from Massachusetts???)

Should urbane Bostonites really be expected to compare Boston, their towering urban success story, a city right next door to Cambridge, home to Harvard, for goodness' sakes, to what, Portsmouth? Nashua? I mean, really!

So let's get Mayor Menino out there with his armed bodyguards campaigning for that Boston gun ban! Just say "NO" to guns! And drugs! And cigarettes! (Since he’s already going to be out there campaigning anyway….) We have no time to lose!

Because next week, we get to work on banning cars, so that we can deal with that disturbing drunk driving problem. Next stop, utopia!

 

[ArmedBear]

What's REALLY feeding crime?

Well, on average, Bostonians have more money than people in NH, ME and VT. So any robber who doesn't have his head rammed up his butt would rob people in the Boston area, not his home state.

If MA could tax its citizens even more, so that even people making six figures were as poor as people in Sri Lanka, people would stay in NH, ME and VT and rob people there.

Oh wait... They're already trying that...

 

[outofbattery]

The horrible part of this is the realization that MA gun laws aren't the problem but lacking an ability to stop people from Maine or NH straw buying or an ability to stop whatever pipeline criminals use,we're sure to get hammered for the sake of "doing something".I go up to KTP a few times a year to buy long guns as they're almost always cheaper than here,not to mention the huge selection,and always drool over the HK P7's and the like that are out of my price range ,if available, in MA.

 

[ArmedBear]

When you buy a car, you have to register it if you ever leave your property with it. You have to pay a significant annual fee to keep up this registration.

To drive that car, you have to get a driver's license, with additional fees, and, at least in some states, you have to buy insurance, with significant premiums.

It costs what, $1000/year or more just to have a car, not counting any costs associated with maintaining or fueling the vehicle, due to all these fees. And it's a good thing, too. Here's why:

Everyone knows that a vehicle subject to these fees is never used recklessly, never driven drunk, never used as a getaway car, and most importantly, no one has ever died in a highway accident involving licensed drivers and cars for which registration fees have been paid.

That is why a $100 fee for a handgun stops all crime.

 

[grizz5675]

I tell you i drove truck in NH,MA,ME AND RI. Until i had to get out of there mass. is one hell whole to be alive at,maybe they all should have a gun so they can kill each other off until they can knock the population down as well as the traffic. seriously mass needs to look at changing some gun laws to enable good people to have guns to defend themselves against the bg.

 

[Ironbarr]

... Here's why:

Everyone knows that a vehicle subject to these fees is never used recklessly, never driven drunk, never used as a getaway car, and most importantly, no one has ever died in a highway accident involving licensed drivers and cars for which registration fees have been paid...

Er... probably - but with one notable exception - some sort of... er, bridge. Starts with a "Ch", ends with an "ick". And a "qu" in there somewhere.

 

[outofbattery]

Er... probably - but with one notable exception - some sort of... er, bridge. Starts with a "Ch", ends with an "ick". And a "qu" in there somewhere.

It's about a mile and a half from my house;well,the reproduction of the original crime scene.

 

[Ironbarr]

It's about a mile and a half from my house;well,the reproduction of the original crime scene.

Reproduction??? Please explain.

 

[outofbattery]

They destroyed the original Dike Bridge but ending up building a replica replacement for it.Plenty of people here wish they hadn't and also wish that people would stop asking where it is.

 

[Fletchette]

This is a case of the magic kingdom not being big enough. Camalot needs more territory to support the royal family - Kennedys.

Another thing, why do Massachusetts killers think that they can come up here to NH and dump the bodies of the people they kill. I mean, do they like think we're another country and there's no extradition or something?

New Hampshire is not another country, but Massachusetts is!