Politicians holster the polemics on gun control

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Politicians holster the polemics on gun control

BY MATT STEARNS

Knight Ridder Newspapers
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/10979942.htm?1c

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - The national debate over gun rights, for decades among the most searing and divisive of political issues, appears to be all but over in Congress.


That means that the assault weapons ban, a signature achievement of gun control advocates that expired last year, probably will not resurface anytime soon.


Conversely, congressional leaders and the Bush administration haven't put a priority on efforts to expand gun rights.


"There's a perception that Washington is not the place to take the debate at this moment," said Saul Cornell, a historian who is director of the Second Amendment Research Center at Ohio State University. He said that politicians on both sides see little advantage in pressing the issue.


Democrats, desperate to regain their appeal to middle America, are moving away from the party's long identification with gun control, much to the relief of many beleaguered Democrats in states like Missouri.


"It's a loser," Rep. Ike Skelton, a Missouri Democrat, said of gun control.


Republicans, on the other hand, have become wary of boasting about their long and profitable alliance with the National Rifle Association, the nation's leading gun rights group.


In the 2004 election cycle, the NRA's political action committee spent more than $12 million, mostly to aid Republicans. That included $1.2 million backing President Bush and more than $1.5 million in efforts against Democratic nominee John Kerry.


Yet during the campaign, Bush joined Kerry in supporting an extension of the assault weapons ban and closing the so-called gun show loophole, which allows buyers to avoid background checks by making purchases from private sellers at gun shows. Both were popular among many swing voters.


"There is a potential for backlash," George Connor, a political scientist at Southwest Missouri State University, said of the Republican two-step. "They can't go too far."


Connor pointed out that Republicans basically have already "gotten everything they wanted. They wanted to protect the rights of gun owners and average citizens, which they've done. ... I don't think they're going to push any farther than they already have."


While Bush and many Republicans voice support for a bill that would give gun makers immunity from civil lawsuits, the bill is not a priority of Republican congressional leaders.


It's the Democrats who are moving further and faster from their previous position on guns. It's a notable change from 1994, when the assault weapons ban passed with backing from President Bill Clinton and a Democratic Congress.


That coincided with the beginning of a big decline in Democratic support in rural areas. The year the ban passed, Democrats lost control of the House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years.


Now Democrats want to reconnect with those voters.


Two new Democratic leaders, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, are examples of the party's current direction.


Reid received $4,500 from the NRA in his 2004 re-election campaign and voted against extending the assault weapons ban last year. Dean was endorsed by the NRA in his races for governor of Vermont and said during his presidential campaign that the issue generally should be left to the states.


A third national Democratic leader, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California, has long been a gun control advocate. But she also founded the House Rural Working Group in an effort to reinvigorate Democratic support in rural America. Skelton, one of the group's members, said their message to Pelosi included: Ease up on guns.


Skelton, a pro-gun Democrat who has represented a largely rural district since 1976 and received $2,000 from the NRA for his 2004 campaign, said Democratic leadership's recognition of the importance of guns in small-town and rural America was "much belated."


"Many in the Democratic leadership know that small-town and rural America is very pro-gun," Skelton said. "It's part of our rural society, and people have to respect that. I think Democratic leadership is understanding that and reflecting that obligation to respect rural values."


Skelton called Dean's stance on guns "very helpful" as the party attempts to woo disaffected rural voters.


Eric Howard, a spokesman for the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, conceded that times were grim for gun control advocates.


"It doesn't help at this point," Howard said of Reid's and Dean's positions on guns. "We do much better if more people are talking about this issue. I believe the gun lobby prefers to close off debate. ... It needs leadership."


John Lacey, a spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, which sells itself as a moderating force in the gun debate, said the debate appears to be evolving from the extremes that once distinguished both political parties.


"You'll see an evolution where people say, `How do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?' " Lacey said. "Gun laws shouldn't make it egregiously harder for law-abiding Americans to buy guns."


The NRA isn't taking any victory laps, vowing to keep an eye on Democrats to ensure "their record matches their rhetoric," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman.


"Anyone who claims the Second Amendment is now officially immune from attack because more folks in D.C. are getting politically savvy is off the mark in their political assessment," he said. "We've seen the Democrats suffer as a result of their support for gun control. But we've also seen the gun control movement evolve."


Now, the fight is more likely to be in courts and at the local level than in the halls of Congress, Arulanandam said.


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© 2005, The Kansas City Star.
 
Don't buy it for a second. Anti-gun Dems are about as likely to alter their positions on this issue as any of us are. This is nothing more than not talking about it in public. "Don't ask, don't tell" used in a different application. They keep their yaps shut and smile and nod until the day comes they regain some measure of control...and then we get the full onslaught all over again.
 
Personally I don’t trust the dems when it comes to gun control but I also have issues with the republicans. It’s the same ole smoke and mirrors trick and I ain’t buying it. One thing is for sure, this issue will be around for a long time and if a liberal gets back in the White House I except things will really heat up.
 
Ultimately, gun control is just an idiotic policy. It would make sense that even a few Democrats would figure out that gun control just alienates potential voters without any practical payoff in reduced crime rates. Welfare doesn't work, either, but pushing for it is a way to buy votes, whereas pushing for gun control just drives them away.
 
Follow the money

It's the lure of cash.

Several nut groups and foundations will give politicians campaign funding for pushing this crap.

This also works on the republicans. There is no incentive for them to end victim disarmament. If all this legislation disappeared completely or was repealed, the money from pro-gun folks would dry up.
 
John Lacey, a spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety, which sells itself as a moderating force in the gun debate, said the debate appears to be evolving from the extremes that once distinguished both political parties.


"You'll see an evolution where people say, `How do we keep guns out of the hands of criminals?' " Lacey said. "Gun laws shouldn't make it egregiously harder for law-abiding Americans to buy guns."


You'll see an evolution? What the heck? This message has been out there for decades. Welcome to the party Mr. John Lacey of AGS. Where the heck has your head been for 20 years or so?

This sounds like he thinks of himself as some sort of critical thinker, when he is just repeating something that is nothing more than common sense. I've also got news for him. Gun laws don't make it egregiously harder for non-law-abiding Americans to buy guns either. The other issue is, we have passed so many laws that we can't keep track of them all, thus increasing the likelyhood that more Americans will become non-law-abiding, even if they are really good, honest people at heart.

You see, the liberals and the "moderates" still don't get it. They are still approaching this from a standpoint that assumes if we just get the "right kind" of gun control laws in place, that will stop criminals from getting guns in the first place.

Mr. Lacey still has his head up his donkey, but he is now parroting the "correct political words" to make it sound like he has figured it out. What a maroon. What an ignoramus. What's up doc?

Don't fall for this. Notice that a liberal's fingers never leave his or her hands. This is hocus-pocus, now you seem em, now you don't (liberals on gun control), smoke and mirrors, talking points. The liberals hope you won't pay attention, until, as someone mentioned earlier, they sneak back into power. Then you'll hear plenty about more gun control.

Does anyone honestly think that if Hillery Clinton was elected to the White House that her agenda would NOT include more limits on guns for law abiding people? Get real! (Not directed at anyone in particular in this forum).
 
I wouldn't want to see Hilary in the White House for a number of reasons, but I don't think any Democrat would have much luck getting gun-control legislation through the current congress. Should the makeup of Congress change dramatically, that would be a different story.

Ultimately I think the most important thing we can do is work to elect pro-2A people at the local, state, and federal level. This would keep whatever whack job we end up with as our next president from doing anything too drastic.
 
Guns and firearms are two words politicos are not going to speak. Anything they say can and is used against them by people on both sides. This still requires more education of the populace. History lessons that include even the decades old uses of firearms in defence by non leo. When a bill does make it to the floor that will significantly change the status quo will they finnaly show colors as they vote and debate.
We know this.
We saw it last March.
I am speaking of the voting records of the amendments. Not the final vote.
 
This ONLY Addresses NATIONAL Policy.....

while the wars at the moment are being fought in the states.

BOTH parties are happy to claim that they're backing off of their hardline stances, while the real battles over AWB, CCW, etc are fought at the state level - hence the recent THR threads related to CA, OR, WA, MD, NY and other states about the upcoming bills in the state assemblies.

We can be slightly thankful that the national rhetoric over gun control is dead at the moment - but let's not sit on our hands while the STATES attempt to pass legislation that severely restricts our right to own and carry firearms.

Pay attention to the threads about gun laws in your state, and get involved in that battle - there are many here who will help all willing participants get involved locally.

Good luck to us all -

Michael
 
We can be slightly thankful that the national rhetoric over gun control is dead at the moment - but let's not sit on our hands while the STATES attempt to pass legislation that severely restricts our right to own and carry firearms.

Isn't it ironic that the FF's put in place the Second Amendment to ensure that the States would not disarm their citizenry, thus depriving the feds of their militia members? Now we have moved from fighting gun control at the national level to the state level. At least at the state level, some of the state constitutions are more distinct in their protection of an individual right to keep and bear arms. There are some states, like Minnesota, which have no equivalent to the Second Amendment in their state constitutions. This is where the Fed's should, I repeat, should, come in and fight any state that wants to restrict the right to keep and bear arms at any state level. I realize that this is nothing but wishful thinking on my part.
 
Also realize that conflicting State level gun rulings will force the hand of the Federal government to action.

AGS being cast as the "moderate" is their near term goal.

Never forget that AGS's Andrew McKelvey funded the 1999 Rosie O'Donnell MMM Rally.
 
lobotomy boy wrote:

I wouldn't want to see Hilary in the White House for a number of reasons, but I don't think any Democrat would have much luck getting gun-control legislation through the current congress. Should the makeup of Congress change dramatically, that would be a different story.

I would tend to agree with you as things look now. However, assuming Hillary was to win in 2008, we will have two new Congresses elected before she takes power in Jan 2009. Will the Republicans hold their advantage? We don't know.

Also, even if she can't get something passed right away, as the President, the use of the bully pulpit can be used to swing the nation and a reluctant congress by being out there every day with the "right" rhetoric to get the sheeple in line. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if Hillary got elected in 2008, gun control of some form would be on her agenda, even if she couldn't get it passed right away. Clinton took office in early 93, and it took him until 94 to get the AWB passed. As the wicked witch of the west stated, "These things must be done delicately".
 
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