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POLL - Should CCW permits be published

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by phantomak47, Mar 3, 2009.

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  1. phantomak47

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  2. Zoogster

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    I think government actions should often be transparent.
    In some parts of CA only special indviduals can aquire a CCW. If those practices were silenced by law then it could be even more difficult to show abuses in the system.

    That said if someone cannot publish a driver's license then they should not be able to publish a CCW license.
    If they can say someone has a driver's license, without actualy showing the information on it, then they should be able to do the same for CCW.
    Licenses and permits issued by your local officials should be public record, it keeps those involved in the process honest.
    It should be no different than a building permit or a driver's license if they are going to require a permit.

    If people do not like the potential for others realizing they have a license to carry then they should work to change the law to not require the license to carry.Creating precedent where the government can hide public records from the population will not end well.
    Today it can be CCW records, tommorrow it is special zoning and building permits given to those giving big political donations, and those records similarly protected.

    No issue is by itself. I do not like the idea of hiding government actions. I also would not want my name published by some jerk working for the paper in his CCW report like it is weekly criminal news.
    I have liked the responses of some who then post all personal information about the CCW newpaper writer, also using public records. Where he lives, where he works, who he is married to, where she works, what school children where he lives go to, who his relatives are and thier information.
    All based on public record already available to the public.
    Public records fought with public records.


    Mark my words, if you set precedent for hiding CCW from the voters, it will be used to hide much worse things, abuses, and corrupt practices from the voters as well.
     
  3. Schofield

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    I don't think publishing CCW permits would hurt.
     
  4. Zoogster

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    Oh further the poll is flawed.

    Should they be published is a different question, a loaded question that can be interpreted many ways at the will of the paper.

    I do not believe they should be published, I do believe they should be no different than other licenses and permits under the law if a permit is going to be required.
    Meaning newspapers should not publish them, but the law should not protect them any differently than a driver's license or other state or local permit either.

    If a writer wishes to publish them then it should be the duty of those permit holders to dig through public records, find obituaries, city records, marriage records, and every other public record that links him to all his relatives. Use all public records to make his life, and the life of those he lives with transparent.
    You can find that information on most members of society, it is just not all combined together for easy access to any psycho that casualy looks.
    You can help to change that for him. :evil:

    He might even want a gun to protect himself at that point.
     
  5. TAB

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    depends, if state law says all docs must be public , then yes. ( I don't really see a diffrence between them and any other document issued by the gov) if state law says no, then they should not be.
     
  6. Ala Dan

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    Nope

    Nobody's business. except the licensee and the issuing authority~! ;)
     
  7. ArmedBear

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    There are two answers.

    In states like California, ABSOLUTELY YES. It should be known who is actually getting permits, and why. California gives sheriffs 100% arbitrary discretion, with no due process, no statutory definition of when or why someone is or isn't issued a permit, no possibility of appeal, no "check and balance" of any kind whatsoever.

    In any state with "shall issue" or de facto "shall issue", NO. It's none of anyone's business if someone chooses to get a permit that he/she is legally entitled to get.
     
  8. TAB

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    So your ok with the state giving out all of my info, name, phone number, address, bonding company... etc, etc for my Contracting lic, but its not ok to do the same for a CCW, please explain that too me.

    Chances are greater that I will be assulted do to somehting I have done with my GC, then if every one knew I had a ccw.
     
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    Guns = jackpot to a burglar. Why do their research for them?
     
  10. B yond

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    It happened to me!

    My name was published with a list of all the other CCWers in my county, on the cover of a pathetic little rag that pretends to be a news source. This "newspaper" claimed that this was a matter of public safety and insisted that it didn't endanger anyone in doing so. The online firearms enthusiast community reamed the paper, the writer, the editors, and anyone else associated with this trashy excuse for journalism and it did no good. They were looking for a reaction, and they got one. All it did was get their rag more attention.

    Yes, it's an invasion of privacy. Concealed means concealed.
    :banghead::cuss:

    I live in an area that's (unfortunately) known for marijuana growing. That same rag protects the identities of the pot growers that it regularly interviews, yet exposes CCWers in the name of public safety.

    For reference -> http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=395849
     
  11. frankcostanza

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    Its not so much the fact that it is public information that bothers me. It is public information for the time being (there is a bill in the TN house right now to change that). If someone wants to go down to the TN Dept. of Safety and track down the info about who has a HCP then fine. What makes me mad is when a newspaper publishes my name and address (luckily the addresses have been removed) and puts me on a webpage with crime & accident statistics. Kind of sends the message that an HCP holder is on par with a sex offender or something.
     
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    I wouldn't mind being published if, in exchange, I SHALL get a damn permit!

    Californians know how I feel.
     
  13. Sebring Pop

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    A one word answer "NO"
     
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