50 Shooter
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CNN has a poll on the U.N. and the NRA, we're losing.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/un.us.small.arms.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/21/un.us.small.arms.ap/index.html
Poll time.
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How many people do you know, who would voluntarily give up their firearms if the UN told them to do so? Just because 'guns are bad'.
Never gonna happen. Stop wasting your time on UN issues when we have plenty of real relevant issues so much closer to home.
Never gonna happen. Stop wasting your time on UN issues when we have plenty of real relevant issues so much closer to home.
cuchulainn
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Here's the deal. If this thing passes, it truly will be the USA against the rest of the world -- No, I'm not talking about some silly keyboard kommando fantasy about the blue helmets actually coming here to disarm us by force.
I'm talking about something similar to the way the world viewed and treated South Africa during Apartheid(*). Right now, most of the world looks down on us for our guns -- if this thing passes, it will be a vehicle to officially marginalize us.
The UN is framing this -- and most of the world sees it -- as a matter of stopping outlaw states from putting little boys into armies. If we're alone in opposing it, we'll be seen as opposing that. B.S.? Yep. But that's the way we'll be seen and treated.
Would we be vulnerable to sanctions? Probably not (but our economic clout won't be as strong in coming decades with the emergence of China and the continued strengthening of the EU).
But we would be more vulnerable to outside pressures to disarm. We don't want that.
(*)This should not be construed as a defense of the horrible system that was Apartheid
geekWithA.45
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41 to 59 against us.
But hangon a minute.
Historically, whenever the polls on CNN and FOX are parallel, they are mirror images of each other. (ie: 90/10 on CNN = 10/90 on FOX).
Also, CNN poll results normally stand against the positions commonly taken in this community.
The fact that the number in our favor is as high as 41 on a CNN poll is significant in and of itself, indicating widespread distrust of the UN.
I'd never have thought that you could get 41% of the CNN viewership to agree with a position of the NRA.
But hangon a minute.
Historically, whenever the polls on CNN and FOX are parallel, they are mirror images of each other. (ie: 90/10 on CNN = 10/90 on FOX).
Also, CNN poll results normally stand against the positions commonly taken in this community.
The fact that the number in our favor is as high as 41 on a CNN poll is significant in and of itself, indicating widespread distrust of the UN.
I'd never have thought that you could get 41% of the CNN viewership to agree with a position of the NRA.
Mongo the Mutterer
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Just voted.. 41 to 59%. For the CNN site, I don't think that is that bad.
I never go there, I go for truth and it doesn't live there...
I never go there, I go for truth and it doesn't live there...
geek, that's exacty what i thought when i saw the results! the fact that more than 10% of cnn viewers believe that is amazing. (of course, my crazed socialist friends would explain the results away by saying CNN is a conservative mouthpiece 
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)mordechaianiliewicz
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Wow, cuchulainn was correct for once!
Blue helmets knocking down our doors ain't much more than a fantasy really, the day it would happen, the guys doin' the knocking would largely be U.S. Forces.
But, the U.S. not supporting this would make us pariahs.
Thing is, we already are pariahs to much of the world because of the stupid foreign policy decisions of former administrations compounded to this one. I say, bring it on!
We cannot sign this, and although it won't do much good, if I were Wayne, I would say, "This isn't about peace, and disarming 3rd World child soldiers, it's about making sure that you're child soldiers are the only ones armed with guns, so you can easily wipe out your tribal enemies."
I would be bold about it, Kofi Annan, and his Dictator friends be damned!
Blue helmets knocking down our doors ain't much more than a fantasy really, the day it would happen, the guys doin' the knocking would largely be U.S. Forces.
But, the U.S. not supporting this would make us pariahs.
Thing is, we already are pariahs to much of the world because of the stupid foreign policy decisions of former administrations compounded to this one. I say, bring it on!
We cannot sign this, and although it won't do much good, if I were Wayne, I would say, "This isn't about peace, and disarming 3rd World child soldiers, it's about making sure that you're child soldiers are the only ones armed with guns, so you can easily wipe out your tribal enemies."
I would be bold about it, Kofi Annan, and his Dictator friends be damned!
Erebus
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Exactly, you will never see blue helmets at your door. It would be your friendly neighborhood SWAT team kicking your door in to take your guns.
But that would only occur if we end up with an administration that will agree with the UN. As long as Repubs are in power it won't happen.
If the Dems take congress this year and Hitlery wins in '08 anything could happen. In fact I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see us go the Aussie way or worse. That would really seperate the men from the boys. But I expect it to be more incrimental. All at once will cause a huge ground swell of opposition. Taking classes of guns over a period of a few years would minimalize the outcry.
But that would only occur if we end up with an administration that will agree with the UN. As long as Repubs are in power it won't happen.
If the Dems take congress this year and Hitlery wins in '08 anything could happen. In fact I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see us go the Aussie way or worse. That would really seperate the men from the boys. But I expect it to be more incrimental. All at once will cause a huge ground swell of opposition. Taking classes of guns over a period of a few years would minimalize the outcry.
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