Posse Comitatus Act=restricts confiscation?
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shooter429
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Does anybody remember the seige at Ruby Ridge and Waco?
Nothing to worry about. The Dems will never attack and murder men, women and children for alleged weapons possession. Don't be paranoid. As long as you are a Muslim terrorist, Eco-terrorist Mexican military or gang banger, they won't touch you. If you breach the border with armor, running drugs, you will be let go. It is only those terrible law-abiding Christian gun owners with single shot .22s that will be targeted and destroyed by military forces in the name of domestic security. And what in the world is wrong with that?
Shooter429
Nothing to worry about. The Dems will never attack and murder men, women and children for alleged weapons possession. Don't be paranoid. As long as you are a Muslim terrorist, Eco-terrorist Mexican military or gang banger, they won't touch you. If you breach the border with armor, running drugs, you will be let go. It is only those terrible law-abiding Christian gun owners with single shot .22s that will be targeted and destroyed by military forces in the name of domestic security. And what in the world is wrong with that?
Shooter429
The Seige at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Let's see - this Seige at Ruby Ridge?
Yea - ZERO frickin sympathy for the guy. Zero at all.
Waco?
You mean the F-ing crazies who thought the world was going to end, and took up positions and fired over a damn search warrant?
Sorry guy - but again, ZERO sympathy whatsoever.
Fact of the matter is - we have a legal system in this country. LAW ABIDING CITIZENS avail themselves of that system. Those who choose to open fire on LE simply because their tin foil hats are on too tight - sorry, but you're exactly the reason why life is hard on the rest of us.
Let's see - this Seige at Ruby Ridge?
Yea - ZERO frickin sympathy for the guy. Zero at all.
Waco?
You mean the F-ing crazies who thought the world was going to end, and took up positions and fired over a damn search warrant?
Sorry guy - but again, ZERO sympathy whatsoever.
Fact of the matter is - we have a legal system in this country. LAW ABIDING CITIZENS avail themselves of that system. Those who choose to open fire on LE simply because their tin foil hats are on too tight - sorry, but you're exactly the reason why life is hard on the rest of us.
My point was not so much whether PC was relevant, but speaking to the concept of:
Willing to kick butts indeed. Forget the legal limits part when emotions get supercharged. The "willingness" part tends to override everything else.
Unfortunately.
Lone_Gunman
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You need to get your facts straight. PCA has only been around for about 130 years.
Well, I'm not going to get in a prolonged urinating contest here - but I honestly have to say you tend to exhibit a far less than stellar command of the details on some of these issues you take such a passionate position on.
But that's your right.
FWIW Randy Weaver may have possibly saved my life once. It was from a group of his nutjob buddies that thought I said something diferently than I did. He shut them up and shook my hand. The guy seems OK but he hangs with some fruitcakes.
I think it has become clear that our government thinks that the laws are for us, and not them. Announcing 20,000 troops to be deployed domestically immediately following the robbery of trillions of dollars by our government(TARP), on behalf of banks, and with us headed toward depression should alarm anyone who is paying attention.
Lone_Gunman
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I think with the impending economic doom on the horizon, it is a good idea to have those 20,000 troops home and ready to suppress any unrest or insurrection that may ensue. We are not the same country we were 100 years ago, and the next Great Depression will be much more violent than the first. We are no longer as culturally monolithic as we were. We are not as self reliant, and do not accept responsibility as much as in the past. We have become a culture who expects to have whatever they want whenever they want it. When money gets low, I believe people will have little regard for law and order.
A case in point is the tragedy at the Wal Mart in Long Island this past weekend. A man was trampled to death by unruly shoppers who broke down a door just to save a few bucks on a Wii.
Bush has wanted to have these 20,000 troops here already. Its not a new idea.
A case in point is the tragedy at the Wal Mart in Long Island this past weekend. A man was trampled to death by unruly shoppers who broke down a door just to save a few bucks on a Wii.
Bush has wanted to have these 20,000 troops here already. Its not a new idea.
CentralTexas
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With Waco, Koresh could easily have been taken in town. The Feds let it become the slaughter it was. Unproven allegations, fire and a huge concrete cap concluded the investigation.
With Ruby Ridge it could have been handled differently -and not started at all without officials trying to entrap/entice Weaver.
We can talk about the Union army torturing Southerners in prison.
http://thomaslegion.net/campmorton.html
The heavy handedness of the government of WWI American war vets in the "Bonus army" http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm
and there are may more examples.
Power corrupts and history is written by the victor. There are as many folks in denial about what the government is doing and is capable of as there are those saying "conspiracy" on this board. The key is to discuss these issues and be vigilant and not constantly scream "tin foil hat". Try to discuss these issues that have a bearing on 2A with an open idea and acceptance from both sides and we may learn something.
With Waco, Koresh could easily have been taken in town. The Feds let it become the slaughter it was. Unproven allegations, fire and a huge concrete cap concluded the investigation.
With Ruby Ridge it could have been handled differently -and not started at all without officials trying to entrap/entice Weaver.
We can talk about the Union army torturing Southerners in prison.
http://thomaslegion.net/campmorton.html
The heavy handedness of the government of WWI American war vets in the "Bonus army" http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm
and there are may more examples.
Power corrupts and history is written by the victor. There are as many folks in denial about what the government is doing and is capable of as there are those saying "conspiracy" on this board. The key is to discuss these issues and be vigilant and not constantly scream "tin foil hat". Try to discuss these issues that have a bearing on 2A with an open idea and acceptance from both sides and we may learn something.
Waco wasn't about arresting Koresh. It was about executing a search warrant on the property. Aside from the fact that there was no legal grounds to "take Koresh in town" - even if they had, what end would that have served to the search warrant?
As for "unproven allegations" Pretty sure search warrants are a means of gathering evidence as part of the due process to prove or disprove various allegations.
It could have also been handled differently had Weaver decided not to respond to police with an aggressive posture, and hole up in his cabin.
I don't disagree that police and the government use some pretty heavy handed tactics. Fact of the matter is - in our society there is an existing framework for addressing those instances - should people choose to take advantage of it. Even when using those obscene tactics, the authorities will mostly make sure they are acting with some legal coverage. If private citizens decide to say screw the system, and take matters into their own hands - what exactly do you expect the outcome to be?
I cry tin foil hat when people look at situations like Waco and Ruby and jump up and down screaming about injustice and this and that. Was the government heavy handed? Perhaps. They were also dealing with people known to be well armed, and known to have an itch for taking on the government. Should perhaps the warrants been executed by 1 or 2 local PD's knocking on the door and asking to look around?
Again, in the society we live in - you can either choose to live within the law, or you can choose not to. If you choose not to - guess what's gonna happen. If that choice comes at a time when you've got an army of armed federal agents outside your door - well, so much the worst I guess.
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