Possession of three or more handguns...a felony???

[neoncowboy]

I don't see how they (and any other anti-2A-state/city government) can so flagrantly infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms.

When Alabama governments had Jim Crow laws and refused to integrate schools, the feds sent FBI agents and troops to enforce federal rulings that guaranteed black people the right to vote and access to public schools.

Why isn't the injustice of municipalities encroaching on 2A freedoms being addressed?

 

[Graystar]

I don't see how they (and any other anti-2A-state/city government) can so flagrantly infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms.

When Alabama governments had Jim Crow laws and refused to integrate schools, the feds sent FBI agents and troops to enforce federal rulings that guaranteed black people the right to vote and access to public schools.

Why isn't the injustice of municipalities encroaching on 2A freedoms being addressed?

Just a few months ago the 2nd Circuit said that the Second Amendment is only a restriction against the federal government.

Although the sweep of the Second Amendment has become the focus of a national legal dialogue, we see no need to enter into that debate," Wesley said. "Instead, we hold that the Second Amendment's 'right to keep and bear arms' imposes on only federal, not state, legislative efforts.
Bach v. Pataki, 03-9123

 

[jefnvk]

Supporters want a mandatory death penalty for anyone convicted of killing a police officer.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind the death penalty for anyone convicted with on doubt of murdering anyone.

 

[ka50]

joined Republican legislators yesterday in supporting tougher gun laws

hmmm.....

 

[Powderman]

Art's editing made the post unnecessary.

 

[Graystar]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind the death penalty for anyone convicted with on [no?] doubt of murdering anyone.

Since when is it okay to convict *with* doubt??

 

[Vermont Guy]

Vermont Guy, got a direct link to the NYSRPA description? It isn't obvious at the link you provided, and I didn't see it after nosing around for a bit. Thanks.

You're right, it wasn't obvious.

http://nysrpa.org/blog/?p=192

 

[c_yeager]

It is currently a misdemeanor to possess up to 19 guns.

When did journalists forget how to speak English? According to this statement its illegal to possess 18 guns, but perfectly OK to have 20.

 

[Standing Wolf]

If I were a criminal, I'd ply my trade in New York.

 

[Graystar]

When did journalists forget how to speak English? According to this statement its illegal to possess 18 guns, but perfectly OK to have 20.

The journalist did not say that it was okay to possess 20 guns. That is a conclusion that you jumped to, and as such, should be banished to the doldrums. This is a bad habit that many forum members have, especially when reading legal opinions. Erroneously drawn conclusions are the largest source of misunderstanding in many of the discussions I’ve seen here.

On your 20th gun you move up to a felony. That is why it is a misdemeanor to possess up to 19 guns.

 

[Car Knocker]

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[mr.trooper]

PSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHH!

Maybee in the United Yorkers' Socialist republic, or Comiforniastan.

Not in Free-Town USA.

 

[c_yeager]

On your 20th gun you move up to a felony. That is why it is a misdemeanor to possess up to 19 guns.

And where does the article indicate that 20 is the magical number to become a felony?

That is a conclusion that you jumped to, and as such, should be banished to the doldrums. This is a bad habit that many forum members have, especially when reading legal opinions. Erroneously drawn conclusions are the largest source of misunderstanding in many of the discussions I’ve seen here.

Did you also happen to notice that the author makes no distinction between legally owned guns, which DO EXIST in NYC? That is where the author fails to convey his meaning.

 

[Graystar]

And where does the article indicate that 20 is the magical number to become a felony?

Nowhere. There is no indication at all in the article of what happens when you have 20 guns. Nor is it necessary. The article completely conveys the point...that previously, possession of up to 19 handguns was considered a misdemeanor and now possession of 3 is considered a felony.

That is a conclusion that you jumped to…

No, I know NY law. The law making possession of 20 guns a felony is Penal 265.02(5)(i).

Did you also happen to notice that the author makes no distinction between legally owned guns, which DO EXIST in NYC?

Because there is no need to. The concern is with what’s been defined as criminal behavior. None of these laws apply to legally possessed firearms.

 

[oldfart]

Three? I have a friend who carries three!

 

[AF_INT1N0]

CAS700850

Reddog1, please don't judge all LEO's by this example. I work with many LEO's who respect the rights of individuals, and are firmly commiteed to the RKBA. Check out the membership of this Board, and you'll find many LEO's who share many of your beliefs.

Problem #1 Cops on this board, and ones like them are not in charge...

If they were we wouldn't be having this discussion..

Most of your line officers (at least the ones I have met) are good guys for the most part..

But like I have said (probably more times than anyone wants to hear) is that you, choose the most ignorant, *sshats amongst you to be in charge, and be on T.V.

This holds especially true in cities. I don't know why, but thats how it works.


Problem #2 Hurricanes don't occur that far North.

 

[Legionnaire]

Thanks, Vermont Guy.