(NY) New Licensing Fee Proposed for Handgun Owners

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Gov. Pataki's $99.8 billion budget plan for 2004-05 includes $11.3 million for a new state licensing fee for handgun owners. :fire:

Pataki Unveils $99.8 Billion Budget Plan

Pataki unveils $99.8 billion budget plan

By MARC HUMBERT, Associated Press
Last updated: 8:30 a.m., Tuesday, January 20, 2004

ALBANY -- Republican Gov. George Pataki, the state still suffering serious fiscal problems, proposed a $99.8 billion state budget today that called for increased spending in some areas, but also cuts to many state programs.

Having failed last year to hold down spending and taxes in the face of a rebellious state Legislature that overrode his vetoes, Pataki again pleaded for fiscal restraint.

"The budget I present you today strikes a balance," Pataki said. "It closes a $5.1 billion deficit, by making the difficult decision to reduce spending for many worthy programs."

Overall, the total budget proposal of $99.8 billion represents a $1.5 billion increase over the current year's budget, or 1.5 percent. Excluding federal funding, state funds spending would total $63.49 billion under the Pataki plan, a 2.2 percent increase worth $1.4 billion.

General fund spending, where most direct tax dollars go, would be reduced by $175 million to $41.88 billion, a drop of 0.4 percent.

The budget proposal is for the state fiscal year that begins April 1, although that deadline hasn't been met since 1984.

While Pataki said his budget plan rejected "broad-based tax increases," it does call for $972 million worth of "revenue actions" and "adjustments." That would include such things as expanding the state sales tax on clothing by $400 million.

Pataki, a staunch gun-control advocate, also called for a new state licensing fee for handgun owners that he said would raise $11.3 million annually.

The governor also called for $1.5 billion worth of ``transitional financing to move toward structural fiscal balance over the next few years.'' Within that is included about $300 million in borrowing, according to Pataki aides. The state already leads the nation in per capita borrowing.

Pataki did pledge targeted new tax cuts to help business expand, particularly high-technology firms and he called for cuts in Medicaid spending and a public pension overhaul that he said would save localities, and the state, hundreds of millions of dollars.

The governor said there should be no tuition increase at the state's public colleges and universities and he called for a slight increase in state aid to public schools, raising it to $14.6 billion, up from $14.4 billion.

Pataki also called for allowing competitive bidding to create eight new sites across the state where electronic video lottery terminals -- a form of slot machine, according to critics -- would be allowed. Two years ago, Pataki and the state Legislature approved putting the VLTs in horse racing tracks across New York.

While the governor said his budget plan would not require state employee layoffs, he said a hiring freeze would continue. And, he said most state programs would see spending reductions of 5 percent under his proposal.

To deal with the politically thorny problem of closing some of the state's underutilized and aging mental hospitals, Pataki proposed a bipartisan Commission for the Closure of State Psychiatric Centers, an approach taken by federal officials for military base closings. Pataki did propose closing the Middletown Psychiatric Center next year, noting its patient population had fallen from more than 3,600 to just 115 people.

The governor said the $5.1 billion revenue shortfall would have been worse except for the rebounding stock market. That has meant big bonuses for Wall Street traders and resulting higher state income tax revenues for Pataki and the Legislature.

The budget proposal is up from the $63.5 billion budget adopted by Pataki and the Legislature when he first took office in 1995. But Pataki noted that the average annual growth of 4.9 percent is below the national average of 5.8 percent.

Even before he presented his complete budget plan, Pataki was thrown a $500 million curve ball by state Comptroller Alan Hevesi, a Democrat, who said Monday that key portions of a public pension plan offered by the governor on Friday were unconstitutional. Pataki had said his plan would save the state $500 million and local governments $800 million in the new fiscal year. The comptroller is sole trustee of the state's $115 billion public pension plan.

Last year, legislative leaders in the Republican-led state Senate and the Democratic-controlled Assembly rebelled against Pataki's proposals to put a lid on spending increases in the face of a projected major revenue shortfall. Overriding his vetoes, the Legislature jacked up income and sales taxes and authorized massive new borrowing to pay for the extra spending the lawmakers wanted.

Pataki is hoping for a little more cooperation this year from the Legislature. Both state Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, a Republican, and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Democrat, have said they won't support new taxes again.

Pataki and Bruno have also both vowed to cut Medicaid spending to help local governments, which pay 25 percent of the cost of the health care services for the poor. County executives across the state, facing ever-rising local property taxes that threaten their political careers, have begun a coordinated effort to pressure the state to take over all or part of the local Medicaid costs.

The Legislature and Pataki are also under court order to overhaul the state's education aid system for public schools to provide better schooling in poor urban districts. Whether they will be done in time for the current state fiscal year's budget remains very uncertain. Pataki called Tuesday for setting up a reserve fund to help pay for whatever system is adopted.

While some recent past delays in adopting a state budget have dragged into August, arguing against such a lengthy delay this year is the fact that all 212 seats of the Legislature go to voters in November. Lawmakers like to get home in time to spend the summer campaigning. Pataki has no such pressure. His current term runs through 2006.


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Pataki, a staunch gun-control advocate, also called for a new state licensing fee for handgun owners that he said would raise $11.3 million annually.
And how much would the state SAVE by going to a Vermont style gun law?
It would eliminate a whole lot of bureaucracy and think of all the court cases of illegal firearm possession that would not be.
Also crime would drop like a rock when the crooks go to a safer state to ply their trade.
 
Sales tax @ approx. 8.5% on X amount of gun & ammo sales + new licensing fees if they`d make the law shall issue. Say a hundred million bucks. 50% skim, 25% admin costs, net profit 25 mill. More than twice the 11.3 and I`m probably under the real total.

No, the Bloomberg/Pataki coalition would never go to Vermont style. Too much money to be made. :evil:
 
My wife told me about this today...she said she wanted to be the one to tell me so I wouldn't hear about it somewhere else. What a sell out. I have given up on NY and I am going to move out as soon as I can. I'll still try to help NY out but it will be from a state that I still have rights in.
 
Wedge, I think you have pretty summed up my feelings about NYS. Time to consider moving to VT.
 
I wrote my state senator and assembyman today. I also sent in an application form for the NYSRPA. Another provision in this proposed budget is LICENSE EXPIRATION! Now they are going to be able to charge us on a regular basis, AND give them an easier time to REVOKE the license and CONFISCATE our handguns.

Everyone needs to remember that in New York the permit is not just for carry it is for POSSESSION! That means that being able to possess a firearm is going to be more difficult. And if the license is revoked, your guns WILL be confiscated.

They are pricing the poor out of being able to defend themselves. If this passes (hopefully it won't) then a person that can only afford a $100 handgun (say a very used .38 special) will have to spend around $250 just to get the permit to buy it, they may be denied the right to carry it AND they will have to pay a renewal fee. :cuss:

It has been said before and I will say it again REGISTRATION leads to CONFISCATION! I will do what I can financially (which is very limited I am a full time student) but no matter what I am moving out of this state. I just can't believe the direction NY has taken in the last 4 years.

I am sure that I can afford any increase to keep my handgun. However a lot of people cannot. A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck in the rough part of town and they need some protection from the predators out there. As gun owners and NY'ers (those of you that live in NY) we need to stand up and write and tell the state legislature what we think of this. Those that don't live in NY write and tell the senators and assemblymen and assemblywomen of the state what you think of it too. Every state that we lose the RKBA battle in is one state gained for the gun grabbers.

At least I can say that I didn't vote for Pataki. :fire:
 
Does anyone have further details on the provision he's suggesting? Are they raising pistol permit fees, or are they talking about getting rid of the "issued for life" licenses? That's going to make felons out of a LOT of older people who don't keep up with the laws.
 
Pataki is most likely in his last term, so he's not worried about re-election. Unfortunately with the current deficit, legislators are like sharks that smell blood when it comes to finding revenue. This will be a tough one to stop because the majority of NYS residents don't have pistol permits and could care less about how much they cost. If there is enough resistance, the proposed fees might be reduced but not eliminated, that way legislators can say they did what they could. It's one of those "catch-22" situations. I have been a lifelong resident of NYS, but I won't die here!
 
Does anyone have further details on the provision he's suggesting? Are they raising pistol permit fees, or are they talking about getting rid of the "issued for life" licenses? That's going to make felons out of a LOT of older people who don't keep up with the laws.

Both.
 
I agree that most NY'ers won't even care. Most have been brainwashed that handguns are 'evil' and 'why would you need one of those'. It makes me sick.
 
Well, for what little good it will do, I sent a letter to my state reps on this issue.

BTW, I'm new here in this state, but joined the NY Pistol & Rifle Association a few weeks ago. Are they effective at all at making noise on these types of things?
 
NO TIME TO GIVE UP ON NY!!!!!!!!!!!

First off I live in NYC so this isn't a comment from an outsider.

We can not give up on NY! We must hold the line while the rest of the country is reformed. Reform in NY is possible and will come if we can hold the line.

That being said these proposed changes are ver significant! In NY you need a permit just to have a pistol in your house. The proposed legislation will not only impose an additional $100 fee but will allow localities to impose whatever fees they like. NYC will now be able to charge thousands for a permit.

Plus all those who have full carry permits from years back will now lose them during the renewal process.

Please contact , call and visit your reps now! There is hope.
 
I don't propose giving up, I have written my reps, I have just joined the NYSRPA...but I may have to contribute from outside the state. I plan on paying a visit to my rep within the week.

If we can defeat anti-gun legislation in NY that will be a major victory for EVERYONE in the country!
 
Wedge, may I comment on two points?

"It has been said before and I will say it again REGISTRATION leads to CONFISCATION!"
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Absolutely true...and the genuine reason for registration...
not some hypothetical benefit to 'solving crime'.

We in Australia experience the consequences of this fact every few years now, it seems.


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"If we can defeat anti-gun legislation in NY that will be a major victory for EVERYONE in the country!"
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The only way to win is to fight back.

If you can stop the antis in a showcase state like New York, they will have to expend their wealth and political capital on defensive action.:D
 
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