I usually try to avoid these posts, simply because they questions posed are unanswerable. However, since GotGlock was mildly raked over the coals, I'll throw out a few thoughts that most likely noone cares about.
Be specific. When you are describing a potenital situation, EVERYTHING matters, lighting, distances, available cover for yourself/allies, available cover for the bad guys, are there any non-involved parties in the area, and I mean within 100 yards? what kind of terrain are you on? What type of shoes and clothes are you wearing? Are you wearing something that will affect your ability to move? Gunfights are dynamic, not static like the ranges. How many of us can move rapidly and still be able to hit a rapidly moving target? I have a hard time doing it, that's for sure!
Jeff White; I have to disagree with you on the Tueller drill. According to TheFightingArts.com this drill originated in OKC and basically ended in a tie between the draw of a handgun and a charging assailant with a knife.
Let us remember this drill originated from a police sergeant, the purpose was to get officers to recognize that seven yards, or twenty one feet was a lethal range to face someone with a knife. The drill also had the shooter remaining static, standing and facing a charging assailant. It was also performed from duty gear, not a typical CCW holster. Granted some newer duty holsters are as fast to present from as many open holsters but, that wasn't much of an option when this drill came into being.
I performed this drill several times and came up with a variation on the theme. Average time from the holster was 1.95 seconds with three shots to the occular cavity. Concealment was not worn at the time. One of the guys had rigged up a four wheel cart with two wheels out of balance. On top of the cart was a target stand with an IDPA target, cut and attached to the IDPA target was a rough three demensional standout of the occular cavity. The off-center wheels caused the target to sway side to side. A rope was attached to the cart and at the start signal, a runner positioned beside the shooter ran away from the shooter, dragging the cart towards him, at the same time, the shooter attempted to draw and fire.
I found out pretty quickly that if you stand and deliver, you are going to get run over by the cart. I translated this to mean that even if I got three good hits on a guy charging me with a knife, I'm still going to spring a leak in the process. On the third attempt, along about the time of my second shot, I started to sidestep, moving myself from the path of the charging cart/knifer. By the time I the cart was in slicing distance, I had moved out of arm reach and managed to get a 4th round into the target, although it was an oblique shot.
Many shooting schools push the concept of a 1.5 second draw and two aimed shots. My guess is they are basing that drill on similar data.
Jeff, I said all that to say this, the Tueller Drill represents a training goal, not an impossibilty. It can be done, with lots of practice. I also hope this is taken in the constructive context in which it was intended. Another reason I don't post to these types of thread too often is that folks start feeling their personal pet idea, which usually has never been tried out on the range is better than my personal, pet idea. Then things become heated.
Regards,
Wheeler
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