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[meinbruder]

Expert Testimony??

Massad's big argument concerns GSR and with handloads that cannot be duplicated. Point to consider. Yet, in the following case, sounds like factory ammo doesn't really answer a lot of questions either.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/13654907.htm
Vick trial: Ammo expert tries to bolster state's case

A ballistics expert testified this morning that the bullet lodged in slain St. Paul police Sgt. Gerald Vick's body was a special kind of ammunition that didn't produce gunshot residue when fired.

Prosecutors called consultant Paul Szabo to the stand to try to explain to jurors why police found no gunshot residue on defendant Harry Evan's hands, but did find traces of the substance on the hands of star witness Antonio Kelly.

Evans, 33, is on trial for first- and second-degree murder. Vick was fatally shot in an alley outside of an East Side tavern around 2:20 a.m. on May 6. Vick and his partner had been working undercover investigation prostitution at bars that night when they confronted Evans and his companion Kelly outside Erick's Bar.

Evans has pleaded not guilty and has accused his friend Kelly of pulling the trigger.

Prosecutors told the jury during an opening statement that Evan's DNA was found on the murder weapon, but defense attorneys countered that Kelly had lead and barium particles — or gunshot residue — on his hands, proving Kelly fired the gun.

Szabo, who works for the Winchester ammunition division of Olin Corporation, said the Winchester .38-caliber bullet recovered by the medical examiner, labeled Exhibit 2, is a WinClean type that is designed to eliminate airborne lead when fired.

"This is a brand intended for target shooting at indoor ranges," said Szabo.
Szabo said that bullet, which uses a lead-free priming mix and is sealed, would not produce gunshot residue. But under cross-examination by defense attorneys, Szabo testified that while the interior of a WinClean bullet is sealed, it still contains lead. Szabo said he knew of no study that proves that interior lead couldn't escape upon firing.

Police recovered one of the three bullets that struck Vick and five shell casings near the murder weapon.

Szabo examined the shell casings and said he could not tell just by looking at the casings whether all the ammunition found by police was WinClean.

I don’t get something at this point. Two suspects, one gun, clean fire ammo. One suspect (err, witness) has GSR on his hands, the other does not: the second suspect leaves DNA on the gun, the first does not. If this were a riddle, I would have to say that both suspects fired a different gun.

What’s next? .38 caliber and five cases recovered “near” the weapon, was the gun reloaded? Was there more than one gun?

So the expert could identify the cartridge cases as WinClean type but couldn’t identify it as WinClean Brand? I have some Plus Ones around here if it will help him read the head stamps. If I scratch my head long enough I can find a pair of 1.25’s. He even stated that no study could prove that lead from the interior of the bullet wouldn’t escape. Was the jacket intact? Are they sure the expert works for Winchester?!?

I didn’t go to law school, but I’m pretty sure I could drive an 84-passenger school bus through the holes in this testimony.

I’m sorry if this post isn’t on topic for a hand loading thread but the story in the paper just doesn’t make any sense. :
Mike
Portland, Or.

 

[palerider1]

.45 caliber 165gr federal hydroshok.........mean little babys

 

[Gewehr98]

Not wanting to be the test case in either criminal or civil court, I use factory ammo

Save for one.

No disclaimer needed, either:

500gr swaged spitzer, sized .459" lubed with lard/beeswax mix

Vintage REM-UMC balloon-head .45-70 brass

60.0gr Goex FFFg black powder, drop-tubed from 3' above

5.0gr Winchester 231 "kicker" against the primer

Winchester Large Rifle primer

Ox-Yoke .45 pre-lubed Wonder Wad between powder and bullet

Powder charge compressed about 0.30" during bullet seating

Good for 1200+ fps from my 32" Sharps. 1000 foot-pounds available to nearly 400 yards, then 2-legged critters beyond that. No GSR, btw.

"Yes, your Honor, I know most defensive shootings happen inside of 21 feet..."

 

[kimbernut]

SD Handloads

CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

1911 4" & 5" Platform
.45ACP 5.0 gr Titegroup,WLP, 230 gr. Rem. Golden Saber, OAL 1.250

Colt Pocket Nine
9mm Luger 4.4 gr Titegroup,WSP,124 gr. Rem. Golden Saber, OAL 1.090

Oh yeah BTW , aye already. Some folks are ".... more fun than an all night dentist." Borrowed from Gator

 

[JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone]

In the Colt Cobra for the wife-
Factory Win .38spl 125gn +P j swc hp

In the Colt Officer's for me- Win 185gn JHP

In the Kimber for me- My Bullseye target loads. 4gns of Bullseye pushing the same Lyman molded lead. Deadly accurate.

In the Ruger P85 truck gun- 115gn Hydrashocks or my loads of 115gn Sierra hp's. Double tap would be the rule.

-Steve

 

[azredhawk44]

.44magnum handloads

240gr very soft Rainier hollow point plated over whatever powder I have that will push it at about 1000fps. This is a slow, controllable .44mag load, especially in a big gun like a redhawk. Repeated double action shots are a breeze. That's for home defense. The woods load is a Sierra 300gr JSP under lots of 296 or H110.

.357magnum handloads

158gr LSWC, again with mid-to-low levels of moderate powders that push the pill at about 1100 or so. This is shot out of a sp101 with excellent accuracy and follow-up shot capability.