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Postal ID plan creates privacy fears


By Alorie Gilbert
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
August 12, 2003, 8:09 AM PT


A government report that urges the U.S. Postal Service to create "smart stamps" to track the identity of people who send mail is eliciting concern from privacy advocates.
The report, released last month by the President's Commission on the U.S. Postal Service, issued numerous recommendations aimed at reforming the debt-laden agency. One recommendation is that the USPS "aggressively pursue" the development of a so-called intelligent mail system.

Though details remain sketchy, an intelligent mail system would involve using barcodes or special stamps, identifying, at a minimum, the sender, the destination and the class of mail. USPS already offers mail-tracking services to corporate customers. The report proposes a broad expansion of the concept to all mail for national security purposes. It also suggests USPS work with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to develop the system.



Such a system would not only allow the postal service to provide better mail-tracking information to consumers, the report said; it could give law enforcement authorities new investigative tools in the event of a mail-related terrorist attack such as the anthrax-tainted letters that killed five people and sickened more than a dozen others in 2001. The authorities have yet to solve that case.

"Intelligent mail has the potential to improve significantly the security of the nation's mail stream, particularly if the postal service fully explores whether it is feasible to require every piece of mail to include sender identification, in order to better assure its traceability in the event of foul play," the report said.

Privacy watchdogs worry, however, that requiring sender identification for all mail presents serious risks to civil liberties.

"We have a long history in this country of anonymous political speech," said Ari Schwartz, associate director of the Center for Democracy and Technology. Any change that removes anonymity from the public mail system is "making a major change to political discourse in this country," he said.

Such a system could also facilitate expanded government surveillance powers, said Chris Hoofnagle, deputy counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

For instance, the FBI is already allowed to photocopy the outside of unopened letters and packages sent and received by suspected criminals in order to monitor their communications, Hoofnagle said. An intelligent mail system could make conducting such "mail cover" activity easier, enabling the FBI to build databases tracking communication among people on a broader scale, he noted.

Hoofnagle and Schwartz also questioned the cost and effectiveness of a system that hinges on proving the identity of millions of individual mail senders. Even an overhaul of the entire postal system may not thwart stamp-swipers and identity thieves, they said. "In order to close those holes, you have to move toward a police state," Hoofnagle said.

The commission's report notes briefly that "issues of privacy should, of course, be noted and balanced with the value of enhanced safety." A representative of the commission wasn't immediately available to explain how the postal service might actually strike such a balance.

A USPS representative said the agency is still reviewing the report and declined to comment on its recommendations. However, the USPS already has been investigating intelligent mail technology for at least two years. It made development of the system part of a "transformation plan" it issued last year.

USPS has also assigned its chief privacy officer, Zoe Strickland, to set up a working group to examine and incorporate privacy considerations into intelligent mail programs, according to a document on the agency's Web site.

The commission that released the report is overseen by the U.S. Department of the Treasury and was established by an executive order from President Bush last year. It’s led by Harry Pearce, chairman of Hughes Electronics, a subsidiary of General Motors, and James Johnson, vice chairman of Perseus, an investment banking firm.

Major high-tech companies, including Canon, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Lockheed Martin, Pitney Bowes, Symbol Technologies and Stamps.com, are pushing the Postal Service to adopt intelligent mail systems. Each participates in a special committee on intelligent mail run by the Mailing Industry Task Force, a cross-industry group formed in 2001 with the support of Postmaster General John Potter.



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A system to track more info on all mail, brought to you by the people who can barely manage to get it where it's supposed to go in the first place...

Definitely an Orwellian nightmare. All the more reason to stop using the USPS whenever possilbe.
 
Now where did I leave my tin foil hat? Must find immediately. If you knew who runs and is employed by the Post Office this wouldn't worry you. They can't make a go of the business let alone track postal packages.
 
Actually, I've used their delivery confirmation and tracking services online. They are usually dead on the money. Saying that the USPS is run by incompetents or morons is at best an inaccurate statement.
 
Mike Irwin

Christ.

I send, literally, about 4 pieces of mail a year now.

Everything else is cyber.

I guess it would make no different to me, then.

Where have I heard that before???

I have, literally, about 4 firearms.

None of them are of the banned variety.

I guess it would make no different to me, then.

:cool:
 
You know, I really hate to tell you, Jim, but when you take a look at the levels of tracking that can be accomplished through routine avenues in our every day lives I'm just not so sure that this makes all that much difference anymore.

Does everyone realize the ENORMOUS footprints they leave on the internet everytime they post a message to a board like this?

Do you know that the supposed "anonymizers" that scrub your identity also leave footprints that can be tracked back to you?

I don't know. Maybe it's just that given the realization of how much information is already out there on me and my movements I just can't get worked up over what is essentially a 100th degree tracking redundancy.

This really doesn't have any clear link to the potential for firearms confiscation, either. You've got a MUCH better chance of hiding a private party firearms transaction than you do of getting through a single day without leaving some sort of foot print in some sort of system.
 
Postal ID plan creates privacy fears

By Alorie Gilbert
CNET News.com
August 12, 2003, 8:09 AM PT

A government report that urges the U.S. Postal Service to create "smart stamps" to track the identity of people who send mail is eliciting concern from privacy advocates.
The report, released last month by the President's Commission on the U.S. Postal Service, issued numerous recommendations aimed at reforming the debt-laden agency. One recommendation is that the USPS "aggressively pursue" the development of a so-called intelligent mail system.

Though details remain sketchy, an intelligent mail system would involve using barcodes or special stamps, identifying, at a minimum, the sender, the destination and the class of mail. USPS already offers mail-tracking services to corporate customers. The report proposes a broad expansion of the concept to all mail for national security purposes. It also suggests USPS work with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to develop the system.

Such a system would not only allow the postal service to provide better mail-tracking information to consumers, the report said; it could give law enforcement authorities new investigative tools in the event of a mail-related terrorist attack such as the anthrax-tainted letters that killed five people and sickened more than a dozen others in 2001. The authorities have yet to solve that case.

"Intelligent mail has the potential to improve significantly the security of the nation's mail stream, particularly if the postal service fully explores whether it is feasible to require every piece of mail to include sender identification, in order to better assure its traceability in the event of foul play," the report said.

Privacy watchdogs worry, however, that requiring sender identification for all mail presents serious risks to civil liberties.

"We have a long history in this country of anonymous political speech," said Ari Schwartz, associate director of the Center for Democracy and Technology. Any change that removes anonymity from the public mail system is "making a major change to political discourse in this country," he said.

Such a system could also facilitate expanded government surveillance powers, said Chris Hoofnagle, deputy counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center.

For instance, the FBI is already allowed to photocopy the outside of unopened letters and packages sent and received by suspected criminals in order to monitor their communications, Hoofnagle said. An intelligent mail system could make conducting such "mail cover" activity easier, enabling the FBI to build databases tracking communication among people on a broader scale, he noted.

Hoofnagle and Schwartz also questioned the cost and effectiveness of a system that hinges on proving the identity of millions of individual mail senders. Even an overhaul of the entire postal system may not thwart stamp-swipers and identity thieves, they said. "In order to close those holes, you have to move toward a police state," Hoofnagle said.

The commission's report notes briefly that "issues of privacy should, of course, be noted and balanced with the value of enhanced safety." A representative of the commission wasn't immediately available to explain how the postal service might actually strike such a balance.

A USPS representative said the agency is still reviewing the report and declined to comment on its recommendations. However, the USPS already has been investigating intelligent mail technology for at least two years. It made development of the system part of a "transformation plan" it issued last year.

USPS has also assigned its chief privacy officer, Zoe Strickland, to set up a working group to examine and incorporate privacy considerations into intelligent mail programs, according to a document on the agency's Web site.

The commission that released the report is overseen by the U.S. Department of the Treasury and was established by an executive order from President Bush last year. It’s led by Harry Pearce, chairman of Hughes Electronics, a subsidiary of General Motors, and James Johnson, vice chairman of Perseus, an investment banking firm.

Major high-tech companies, including Canon, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Lockheed Martin, Pitney Bowes, Symbol Technologies and Stamps.com, are pushing the Postal Service to adopt intelligent mail systems. Each participates in a special committee on intelligent mail run by the Mailing Industry Task Force, a cross-industry group formed in 2001 with the support of Postmaster General John Potter.
 
[sarcasm]

Well, you have nothing to worry about if you don't send anything bad in the mail.

[/sarcasm]

Move along, now. Nothing to see here. Remember, it's all for your safety, citizen.
 
It's coming, and like all such regulations the criminals and terrorists will figure out ways around it and the average person will lose more freedom for nothing. Do they think a black market won't develop overnight in stamps?

I guess it's just a matter of time until they've got that new x-ray that strips you naked set up on every street corner.
 
i kinda doubt that with all the web based bill paying, cell phone mailing of digital pictures, FED EXing and the other trappings of the moderne cyber age, that the post office could survive the expense of adding backtrackable postage stamping.

Heck, they would prolly have to create that urbane legend "tax on email" to offset the cost.

In the end someone will hack a $1.98 spoof of the technology and make all the mail appear to have originated from A E Newman
 
The problem with the use of 3D barcodes to track an individuals mail are not technical they are more like administrative. If you don't choose to download and print postage on your envelope but instead walk down to the PO and plunk down cash for a booklet of smart stamps the most they can do is track the PO where that the stamp on a letter came from, hardly intrusive. Now if you were to choose to download your postage and print in on your envelope then they could tell who mailed what and where it went to.

This would require some significant investments in software, hardware and IT architecture to track the kind of volume processed by USPS as its processed through hundreds of facilities. Thats money that the USPS don't got and probably won't. Don't forget they are not really government, haven't been for a while. So they have to either raise rates to cover something like that or ask the Feds for reimbusements.

So you have a concept that would cost hundreds of millions to implement and maintain and for what? So they can track your subscription payments to hustler or your editorial letters? Give me a break. The anthrax letters have led to some good questions as to why can't we track mail better than we have both for investigative purposes and damage reduction.

BTW your credit card company probably uses a IT product called CONFIRM (not delivery confirmation) to track your payments back to them look at the address on your payment envelope and if it has a long barcode above and below their address then one of them is Confirm. WHen you have 10s of millions of dollars in CC payments that can come back to you its nice to be able to predict what you will get back on a given day.
 
So they have to either raise rates to cover something like that or ask the Feds for reimbursements.



That first option would never happen; there are too many free-market alternative competitors, and the USPS would just lose business to them......oh, wait a minute.....oh yeah, nevermind:rolleyes:
 
Mike Irwin

Agreed. There are hundreds of ways to track someone. Got a "Lojack" or "OnStar" system on your car? The police can track your car and stop it dead in its tracks.

Think what they could with your smart guns.
 
"Intelligent mail has the potential to improve significantly the security of the nation's mail stream, particularly if the postal service fully explores whether it is feasible to require every piece of mail to include sender identification, in order to better assure its traceability in the event of foul play," the report said.

Intelligent mail? The post office?

I wouldn't quit my day job, if that were the best joke I could come up with.
 
Made the mistake of sending my receiver to Krieger via USPS... thought I was doing myself a service... well, it's been 10 days, and all their online tracking system can tell me was that the package was received in CA on August 4th.

10 days, and it isn't in Wisconsin yet? JEEEZE.
 
A system to track more info on all mail, brought to you by the people who can barely manage to get it where it's supposed to go in the first place...

Ah, the bleating of the spoiled American brat, who is honestly clueless that he has the best postal system in the world, by a margin bigger than Al Sharpton's mouth.

They move BILLIONS of pieces of mail each year, and lose less than 1%. And they do it for peanuts. (And ZERO tax dollars.)

Try mailing a letter in any other country. You might learn something.

No, I don't work for the USPS, never have, and don't know anyone who does.

I'm just sick of this mindless drivel about how bad our postal system is.


Go travel the world a little and learn to appreciate what you've got.
 
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