Powell's UN Presentation

[geekWithA.45]

After seeing Powell's UN presentation:

1) I'm convinced: It's time to take Sadam out.
2) I'm convinced, but let's wait for the UN
3) I'm convinced, but Sadam isn't an immediate threat
4) I'm not convinced, let the inspectors continue

 

[Hkmp5sd]

I was convinced before the presentation.

 

[TheEgg]

No change

If you are willing to believe in the information that Bush administration has, you must be convinced of the need to take SH out.

If you are not willing to believe in the information, then you can say delay.

Nothing in the presentation was really new or startling, and IMO will not change minds in and of itself.

The key is "willing to believe". None of us have the ability to verify anything Powell said, so it could all be a pack of lies.

I am willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt -- I have seen no argument that convinces me that he is doing this out of any motivation except the safety of the USA. I don't buy "Oil", "World Hegemony", "Revenge for Daddy", or any of the other leftist rants.

 

[tyme]

Those pre-written statements by the opposition, especially by the French representative, made them look like total idiots.

There's no change in my opinion; It's a cop-out, but I don't have enough experience to judge whether a preemptive strike is the wise thing to do. Regardless, Saddam needs to leave the country, start cooperating, or make a non-violent political stand against what he claims to perceive as an unacceptable violation of Iraq's sovereignity. The only person who can make that choice is he, and if he's going to cooperate, he'd better do it fast.

This is not a "SWAT is raiding your house, you should fight back to defend your castle" situation. This is a "SWAT is going to be at your door tomorrow at 10AM" situation. Unless you're extremely principled, this is the time to get out of dodge before the walls cave in. Whether the U.S. is right or wrong is irrelevant unless Saddam wants to make a philosophical statement about national sovereignity, in which case he should offer no resistance to an attack and a "war" would be over quite fast.

 

[The Plainsman]

You reach a point where you GOT to accept this kind of information on faith, since there's absolutely no way any of us can personally verify it. Given a choice between believing my government or Saddam's, I'll take MINE any day, in spite of any of it's shortcomings on other issues.

I heard the question put this way - if our government knew on Sept. 10th, 2001, what was going to happen the next day, and the only way to stop it was to attack the government which was fomenting it, what should/would we have done? I think most folks (at least here on THR) would agree - it would have been insane to just wait and hope that the BG's would have a change of heart.

Saddam's got a "rap sheet" as long as your arm. Why would any reasonable person believe that he's going to change his "stripes" at this late hour?

 

[voilsb]

you forgot "I was convinced beforehand, and we never should have been required to go through all this BS UN dribble. Action should have been taken YEARS ago when, he first failed to comply."

 

[voilsb]

I voted option number one, by the way

 

[mjustice]

I agree with voilsb. After he attacked the Kurds, we should have removed him, by force if necessary.

If the UN thinks we are so wrong, then they can attack *us* after we invade Iraq. Bwhahahahahhahahahahahahaha.....

Seriously, though, I was convinced after the SOTU speech. Powell's infomation does not come as a surprise to me. G-Dub is more concerned about his own legacy than avenging his father, and I don't see that as being a bad thing. Saddam needs to be dealt with, and I think it would go a long way to *improving* our fortunes in the middle east.

MJ

 

[10-Ring]

Like the President said months ago, "You're either with us, or against us." There is NO gray area here. The time to act and eliminate this evil is now

 

[Erik]

Too bad there was no choice along these lines:

I was already convinced, and it is time to take Sadam out.

 

[Ebbtide]

If the UN thinks we are so wrong, then they can attack *us* after we invade Iraq. Bwhahahahahhahahahahahahaha.....

THE FRENCH ARE COMING, THE FRENCH ARE COMING!!!

That would be a sight

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Perhaps we could get France to help us out by changing sides and joining with Iraq. They are both experts on emitting hot air and surrendering.

 

[jmbg29]

What Hkmp5 said both times.

 

[Blackhawk]

I've been convinced for 13 years.

 

[NewShooter78]

Well I think they should have taken him out back during the GW. He's a murderous villan.

 

[DeltaElite]

I have been convinced for awhile.
Let the bombing begin.

 

[Stephen Ewing]

Didn't exactly break new ground: I voted for the closest I could get to "I was convinced years ago."

Steve

 

[Standing Wolf]

I've been convinced a long, long time.

One aircraft. One bomb.

Peace follows victory, not endless gibberish from the United Nations and Islamic terrorist states.

 

[Selfdfenz]

Geek

Might have added:
I'm convinced and it's time to take Saddam out... and kick the UN out.

The US has 40 or so countries that support us...and all we hear about is what does France and Germany think??
S-

 

[geekWithA.45]

Geek's summary of the whole UN thing

Powell: You wanted evidence? Here ya go!

The UN: We Wank.

Iraqi UN Delegate: Gulp. Uh, Powell's a big fat liar. Please Don't Kill Me Saddam!


Iraqi Press Conference: Gulp. Uh, Powell's a big fat liar, Bush is evil, we're not in breach, the US is! Gulp. Please Don't Kill Me, Saddam!

The UN: We want more Inspectorbation.


A friend pointed out that'd be better if the UN got behind us, otherwise we'd end up being the world's mommy. I asked him, "Isn't that the de-facto truth anyway?"

Well, the UN has pretty much demonstrated that they are both
Useless and Irrelevant. They either get behind us, or they don't, and it doesn't really matter. I guess the only thing that remains to be seen is the DEGREE of uselessless and irrelevance they choose to embrace.

 

[XLMiguel]

I was cnvinced before the pitch. Saddam has beengiving teh world the finger for 12+ years, and Bush the First blew it when he didn't take him out in `91. It's time to fix that.