Pre 1968 Machinegun amnesty proposed

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109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 2088
To provide an amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register certain firearms in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

May 4, 2005
Mr. GIBBONS (for himself, Mr. OTTER, Mr. KENNEDY of Minnesota, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Mr. CANNON, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. GOODE, Mr. KINGSTON, Mr. BRADLEY of New Hampshire, Mr. TERRY, Mr. BAKER, Mr. WHITFIELD, Mr. BARRETT of South Carolina, Mr. BACHUS, Mr. BOOZMAN, Mr. TIBERI, Mr. BISHOP of Utah, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. BARTON of Texas, Mr. DUNCAN, Mr. SHUSTER, Mr. HOSTETTLER, Mr. MCCOTTER, Mr. HEFLEY, Mr. ISSA, Mr. SIMPSON, Mr. TANCREDO, Mr. SHIMKUS, Mr. PEARCE, Mr. KING of Iowa, Mr. PETERSON of Pennsylvania, Mr. SALAZAR, Mr. KUHL of New York, Mr. HALL, Mr. MOLLOHAN, Mr. FRANKS of Arizona, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. ROGERS of Alabama, Mr. AKIN, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. CRAMER, Mr. CUNNINGHAM, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. ROSS, Mrs. EMERSON, Mr. HUNTER, Mr. TAYLOR of Mississippi, Mr. DEAL of Georgia, Mr. HERGER, Mr. FEENEY, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, and Mr. CALVERT) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



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A BILL
To provide an amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register certain firearms in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Veterans' Heritage Firearms Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. AMNESTY PERIOD FOR VETERANS TO REGISTER QUALIFYING FIREARMS.

(a) Registration- Subject to such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe, the applicable veteran or a member of such a veteran's family, who owns and possesses a qualifying firearm, may register such firearm in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (described in section 5841 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986) during the amnesty period.

(b) Qualifying Firearm-

(1) IN GENERAL- For purposes of this section, the term `qualifying firearm' means any firearm which was acquired--

(A) before October 31, 1968; and

(B) by a veteran, while such veteran was a member of the Armed Forces and was stationed outside the continental United States.

(2) PRESUMPTION OF VALIDITY- With respect to any firearm, in the absence of clear and convincing evidence to the contrary the Attorney General shall accept as true and accurate any affidavit, document, or other evidence submitted by an individual to establish that such firearm meets the requirements of paragraph (1).

(c) Hearings- If the Attorney General determines that any individual may not register a firearm under subsection (a) during the amnesty period, the Attorney General, upon the request of such individual, shall--

(1) provide such individual any evidence on which the Attorney General's decision is based; and

(2) promptly hold a hearing to review such determination.

(d) Limited Immunity-

(1) CRIMINAL LIABILITY UNDER TITLE 18- Any individual who registers a firearm under subsection (a)--

(A) shall be treated, for purposes of subsections (a)(3) and (o) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as having lawfully acquired and possessed the firearm before the date of the enactment of chapter 44 of such title and each of such chapter's provisions; and

(B) shall not be liable under chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, for any violation of such chapter which--

(i) is based solely on such individual's ownership, possession, transportation, importation, or alteration of such firearm; and

(ii) occurred before or concurrent with such registration.

(2) CRIMINAL LIABILITY UNDER INTERNAL REVENUE CODE- Except as provided in paragraph (3), any individual who registers a firearm under subsection (a) shall not be liable under chapter 53 or 75 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 for any violation of such chapters which relates to such firearm and which occurred before or concurrent with such registration.

(3) TRANSFER TAX LIABILITY- Paragraph (2) shall not affect the liability of any individual for any transfer tax imposed under section 5811 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986.

(4) ATTEMPTS TO REGISTER- In the case of an applicable veteran or a member of such a veteran's family who attempts to register a qualifying firearm in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record at a time other than during the amnesty period, paragraphs (1), (2), and (3) shall apply with respect to such individual if such individual surrenders such firearm to a law enforcement agency not later than 30 days after notification by the Attorney General of potential criminal liability for continued possession of the firearm.

(e) Forfeiture- Any firearm registered under subsection (a) shall not be subject to seizure or forfeiture under chapter 53 or 75 of the Internal Revenue Code or chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, for any violation of such chapters which relates to such firearm and which occurred before or concurrent with such registration.

(f) Notice; Forms; Mailbox Rule-

(1) NOTICE OF AMNESTY PERIOD- The Attorney General shall provide clear printed notices providing information regarding the amnesty period and registering a firearm during such period. To the extent feasible, the Attorney General shall ensure that such notices are posted in post offices, law enforcement buildings, buildings of the Department of Veterans Affairs, and in the businesses of licensed firearms dealers.

(2) FORMS- The Attorney General shall make available any forms necessary for registering a firearm in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. To the extent feasible, the Attorney General shall make such forms available in the locations referred to in paragraph (1) and through the website for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives.

(3) MAILBOX RULE- For purposes of this section, the Attorney General shall treat any form that is postmarked during the amnesty period as received during the amnesty period.

(g) Definitions- For purposes of this section:

(1) AMNESTY PERIOD- The term `amnesty period' means the 90-day period beginning on the date that is 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.

(2) FIREARM- The term `firearm' has the meaning given such term in section 5845 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, except that such term does not include--

(A) any device described in subsection (f)(1) of such section; or

(B) any combination of parts--

(i) designed or intended for use in converting any device into a device described in subparagraph (A); or

(ii) from which a device described in subparagraph (A) may be readily assembled.

(3) APPLICABLE VETERAN- With respect to any firearm, the term `applicable veteran' means the veteran described in subsection (b)(1)(B).

(4) VETERAN- The term `veteran' has the meaning given such term in section 101(2) of title 38, United States Code.

(5) FAMILY- The term `family' means, with respect to a veteran, the grandparents of such veteran, the grandparents of such veteran's spouse, the lineal descendants of such grandparents, and any spouse of such a lineal descendant. A spouse of an individual who is legally separated from such individual under a decree of divorce or separate maintenance shall be treated as such individual's spouse for purposes of this paragraph. Individuals related by the half blood or by legal adoption shall be treated as if they were related by the whole blood for purposes of this paragraph.

(6) CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES- The term `continental United States' means the several States and the District of Columbia, but does not include Alaska or Hawaii.

SEC. 3. TRANSFER OF FIREARMS TO MUSEUMS.

(a) Transfer of Forfeited Firearms to Museums-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall transfer each firearm which has been forfeited to the United States to the first qualified museum that submits a request for such firearm in such form and manner as the Attorney General may specify.

(2) DESTRUCTION OF FORFEITED FIREARMS PROHIBITED- The Attorney General shall not destroy any firearm which has been forfeited to the United States until the end of the 5-year period beginning on the date of such forfeiture.

(3) CATALOGUE OF FIREARMS- With respect to each firearm which is available to be transferred to a museum under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall, not later than 60 days after the forfeiture of such firearm, publish information which identifies such firearm (including a picture) on the web page of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. Such information shall be available to the public without cost and without restriction.

(4) REGISTRATION OF FIREARMS- Any firearm transferred under paragraph (1) to a qualified museum shall be registered to the transferee in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (described in section 5841 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986).

(5) FIREARM- For purposes of this subsection, the term `firearm' means any firearm (as defined in section 2(g)(2)) which is treated as a curio or relic under chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code.

(6) QUALIFIED MUSEUM- For purposes of this subsection, the term `qualified museum' means--

(A) any museum owned or operated by a unit of Federal, State, or local government; and

(B) any museum which--

(i) is open to the public;

(ii) is incorporated as not-for-profit corporation under applicable state law;

(iii) may possess a firearm in the collection of the museum under the laws of the State in which the collection of the museum is displayed;

(iv) holds a license under chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, as a collector of curios or relics; and

(v) certifies to the Attorney General that--

(I) the museum is not engaged in the trade or business of buying or selling firearms,

(II) with respect to the transfer of any firearm under paragraph (1), the museum is not requesting the transfer of such firearm for purpose of sale, and

(III) the museum shall, not later than 90 days after the date on which such museum ceases operations, file an application pursuant to chapter 53 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to transfer any machinegun transferred to the museum under paragraph (1) to an entity or person who may lawfully possess such machinegun under section 922(o) of title 18, United States Code, or abandon such machinegun to Federal, State, or local law enforcement authorities.

(b) Transfer of Machineguns to Museums- Section 922(o)(2) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subparagraph (A), by striking `or' at the end;

(2) by redesignating subparagraph (B) as subparagraph (C); and

(3) by inserting after subparagraph (A) the following new subparagraph:

`(B) a transfer to or by, or possession by, a museum which is open to the public and incorporated as a not-for-profit corporation under applicable State law; or'.
 
Bah.

How about these unregistered guns would still be illegal even if 922 (o) was repealed?
 
Nice idea, but Cali and New York come to mind...."register those eveil weapons with us, wee'll never take them away"....repeal NFA 34 completely.
 
Nice idea, but Cali and New York come to mind...."register those eveil weapons with us, wee'll never take them away"....repeal NFA 34 completely.
Don't forget New Jersey. They did the same scam. First they required registration of "assault weapons," and then they banned them. Fortunately, very few people registered them, even after an amnesty was offered after the ban. Ninety percent of the military style rifles are still unregistered and in people's homes in New Jersey. Is a door to door search the next step?
 
Honestly I dont trust the government, especially after the whole Silviera v Lockyer case in CA, not to mention similar behavior in NJ and NY.

The whole "discretion of the attorney general" bit is very worrysome.

I dont get why our legislators dont just grow a pair and start repealing stuff like "sporting purposes" and so on. The answer here is a repeal, not an amnesty. Amnesties are just a way of luring more suckers into a regulatory scheme.
 
Because nobody is ever going to remove machineguns from the NFA.

It's a Libertarian wet dream.
 
I dont have a problem with the NFA per se. I do have a problem that they have arbitrarily and capriciously refused to license any more machine guns. This drives the price beyond anything remotely approaching market and actually encourages illegal machine guns.
But one of the obstacles to getting it repealed will be the current owners of thesse Class 3 weapons. If you paid $15k for a full auto AR-15 would you really want the government to devalue your investment by 90%?
 
This is a good bill to support, for a whole bunch of reasons.

First, it's the right thing to do for these veterans.

Second, it will increase the pool of available MGs somewhat.

Third, it establishes a precedent that this 1986 cutoff date isn't some holy line that will cause the end of the world if we touch it. That's the really important thing. Crimes committed by legally-owned NFA machineguns right now... zero. Letting a few veterans get legal with some old war trophies will increase that crime rate by... zero.

Think back to when Florida became the first shall-issue state. It has had a dramatic effect on all the carry laws of almost every other state. Very soon there will be about 40 shall-issue states. Think of what this does for long-term gun rights in the US. If you grow up in a state where any law-abiding citizen can get a permit, and you know people who carry and you know you see someone (you don't know who) carrying every day, it makes guns seem a lot less scary.

Openning the cracks of the 86 ban will be good for the same reason.

It also gives politicians an incremental way to start chipping away at the whole thing. If they just proposed a bill like "repeal the 86 ban" it would go nowhere. This ban is "protect our veterans" and it could go somewhere, making it easier to take the next step... and the next step... etc.

Also, this opens the door to some interesting legal challenges. Does the 86 law allow amnesty for a specific class of people, as opposed to general amnesty? Why should the Treasury Dept accept tax payments from certain classes and not others? That could be an interesting court question.

Bottom line: this is like the cammel's nose getting into the tent, just like Florida's CCW was twenty years ago.

Write to your representative!
 
Speaking as a Floridian, it does sound very appealing from the nose under the tent perspective.

I just wouldnt want to risk losing my MP40 or StG44 (god I want one of those) family heirloom because the ATF agent has something bad for breakfast and decides to exercise his discretion in denying my application to register it.
 
Well, I certainly don't oppose this, but the real crack in the dike is the "sporting purposes" clause.

As long as that piece of poop is on the books, everything worthwhile's at risk, and once it goes, it won't be long before the levee breaks.
 
Yes, I agree that sporting purposes will probably be the turning point.

Note that Ron Paul proposed removal of that language from the US code this year, but his bill was left to die in committee.
 
Thanks, LAR-15!

To all who are saying, "Let's get rid of sporting use": I agree, and Ron Paul has introduced a bill to do this, and it will go nowhere. Notice that his bill has no cosponsors, whereas this has a whole list of sponsors.

The other cool thing about this law: it has a bunch of co-sponsors, so instead of voting on it, they could pass it by voice vote. If something passes by voice vote, it doesn't go on anyone's voting record. So they could pass this by voice and then no one could say, "Rep. So-and-so voting to put machineguns on our streets!"

So this is a clever bill, and rather than complaining about sporting use, it would be wiser to spend five min writing a letter to your representative about this.

Let's chip it away slowly but surely.
 
And I just realized something else clever about this bill. Read it. It is almost impossible to tell from reading it what it's doing. It does not come out and say, "this will add to the number of legally-owned machineguns in the US", or "this will put X number of new machineguns into legal circulation in the US" or anything like that. You have to really read it, fully understand the existing regulatory structure, and then scratch your head for a while to figure out what this is doing. The sponsor of this bill is doing a good job here.

To those on this thread who are saying, "this is a trap" and who think that the BATF will reject applicants and then prosecute them. Yeah, maybe that's possibe but I think that's highly unlikely. Prosecutors have real work to do and that would look ugly for everyone involved. Prosecutors are politicians. This bill applies only to guns acquired in 1968 or prior, so most of the people who will be taking advantage of it will be WWII and Korean War vets. Not politcally smart to entrap guys like that on an issue like this.

The bill also says that the AG has to take the vet's word on it unless there is a clear reason to doubt it. Again, very clever of the sponsor of this bill.

This is the kind of politicking that gets things done.
 
OK, how about this. Regular guns you can get as usual and Full auto guns have a $200 tax, but if you can buy a regular gun, you can have a MG. Then the money from the sale of Full auto guns goes to gun safety programs.

/Just throwing out ideas. :p
 
OK, how about this. Regular guns you can get as usual and Full auto guns have a $200 tax, but if you can buy a regular gun, you can have a MG. Then the money from the sale of Full auto guns goes to gun safety programs.

/Just throwing out ideas.
That's the kind of end goal most of us want, but just writing that up as a bill and trying to get congress to pass it won't happen.

If this veteran's amnesty bill passes, I can think of some logical and incremental ways to build on it:

How about let honorably discharged combat veterans of today purchase and privately own their M16s? That might have a chance of getting through Congress, if this veterans' bill passes.

Think about it. It's a way to say thank you to troops, it's a recruiting incentive (and they are falling extremely far from their recruiting targets these days), and it doesn't cost the government anything. Right now they are giving recruiting bonuses of $10k or more, and it's still not working. Only thing is there would have to be some mental health screening, because a lot of troops are coming back with serious PTSD or mental health problems.

And this would be another way to get more NFA MGs in circulation, and just like CCW, it will "normalize" the idea of privately-owned MGs.

Maybe I'll write that up and send it on to the sponsor of this bill, if/when it passes.
 
HR 1703 is still in committee.

It is NOT dead.

You guys/gals need to keep calling your congresscritters about it.
 
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