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SAFE Act- now this is a good law

Discussion in 'Legal' started by LAR-15, Oct 29, 2005.

  1. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Senior Member

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    Allows CCP in all 50 states (though not DC):

    1st Session

    H. R. 1243
    To amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.


    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    March 10, 2005
    Mr. HOSTETTLER (for himself, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. SESSIONS, Mr. WICKER, Mr. DOOLITTLE, Mr. WAMP, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. GOODE, Mr. SOUDER, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. PENCE, Mr. BARRETT of South Carolina, Mr. HALL, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. CANNON, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. BRADLEY of New Hampshire, Mr. MCHENRY, Mr. FOLEY, Mrs. CUBIN, Mr. CANTOR, Mrs. MUSGRAVE, Mr. WESTMORELAND, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. OTTER, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Ms. GINNY BROWN-WAITE of Florida, Mr. SODREL, and Mr. ALEXANDER) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


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    A BILL
    To amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide for reciprocity in regard to the manner in which nonresidents of a State may carry certain concealed firearms in that State.


    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

    This Act may be cited as the `Secure Access to Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2005'.

    SEC. 2. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS.

    (a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926A the following:

    `Sec. 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

    `Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is--

    `(1) carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm; or

    `(2) otherwise entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State of the person's residence,

    may carry in any State a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or with the laws of the State of the person's residence, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.'.

    (b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:

    `926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.'.

    SEC. 3. EFFECTIVE DATE.

    The provisions of this Act and the amendments made by this Act shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
     
  2. jpIII

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    Interesting indeed.

    Actually, it would seem that certain anti-gun states like california would give more freedom to CCW holders than some shall issue states.

    As I understand it those with CA ccw's are virtually unrestricted as far as locations etc.

    I like the irony in this.:evil:
     
  3. AirForceShooter

    AirForceShooter Senior Member

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    WOW!!
    I could visit NY and Legally carry.
    I lived there for 50 years and carried and kept my mouth shut.

    Too bad this isn't going anywhere. Beside I'm pretty sure New York City would ignore it and simply arrest your butt.

    But I can dream.

    AFS
     
  4. Tropical Z

    Tropical Z Senior Member

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    Lets hope this keeps going somewhere positive.
     
  5. pcf

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    The federal government going out of its way to step on States' rights, results in everyone's rights being trampled.

    If the title were changed to reciprocity for registered voters, we would all be screaming bloody murder. CCW and CCW reciprocity isn't and should not become the business of the Federal Government
     
  6. DRZinn

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    Au contraire, mon frêre. The business of the federal government is regulating relationships between the states. Marriage and driver's license reciprocity is universaL, why shouldn't CCW be?
     
  7. Graystar

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    That's very BAD law. It's not gonna go anywhere anyways so it doesn't really matter.
     
  8. beerslurpy

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    This is where test cases come from and how great precedents get made.
     
  9. Devonai

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    I checked the House website and there isn't any information about the progress of this bill. Do you think they'll actually get to it this session?
     
  10. beerslurpy

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    Sweet. Why she is still "unrated" by the GOA, I have no idea. The only person that sponsors more pro-gun bills than her is Ron Paul.
     
  11. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Senior Member

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    My safety does not stop at the state line. :mad:


    But you will have states like Illinois and New York screaming bloody murder- as they did on LEO CCW.

    As for it being brought up, contact your reps and bug them to cosponsor.

    It could certainly be brought up next year.

    NEXT YEAR IS AN ELECTION YEAR!!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Senior Member

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    I disagree.

    Butch Otter of Idaho is second to Ron Paul in terms of pro gun bills.

    He seems to cosponsor every single one. :)
     
  13. Kharn

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    It seems to me that:
    This would let anyone with any permit (out of state or resident) carry, even in their home state with an out-of-state permit (ie: Maryland/Cali resident with a Florida permit) and
    This would let Alaskans and Vermont residents carry whereever they want.

    Am I reading it right?

    Kharn
     
  14. LAR-15

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    I think so.
     
  15. wingnutx

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    I have to oppose this even though I would enjoy the outcome.

    States need to handle reciprocity between themselves, not have the feds strip them of their soveriegnty.
     
  16. LAR-15

    LAR-15 Senior Member

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    That would never totally happen.

    It's the Feds business to care about the safety and defense of it's citizens.

    Therefore it has the authority to make sure a Vermont Resident is safe when visiting Massachusetts.

    And one way is allow nationwide CCW.
     
  17. LSCurrier

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    I just don't get it!!

    How can it be that reciprocity of CCW licenses should not be handled by the Federal government?

    Is Freedom of Speach (1st Amendment) not accepted throughout the land as a granted right of the Constitution?

    Are not the drivers licenses of one state honored in every other state of the country?

    Then how is the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (2nd Amendment) different? Why is the constitutional right for a law-abiding citizen stop when he leaves his state? Or in my case, it stops even when I am in my own state as I live in a very anti-gun county of New York and cannot even get a CCW??? :fire:

    Someone please explain this to me!!

    And please do not make the argument of state rights!!! When do states rights have the right to trample on my Constitutional RIGHTS???? :banghead:

    Luke
     
  18. Dead

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    I think this would BAR me from carrying in my home state, EVEN if I had a non-resident permit in another state. Just make it so you do NOT need a permit to carry like Vermont, then it would be GOOD. While I do say this one is a good start...

    Now States have RIGHTS, but NO right to tell me I can not CARRY a firearm or other items for my personal/family protection... Indeed even my STATE consititution states that we are to be "secure in our person, propertry etc", but that is a truly hollow statement in my state.... well unless you are in government...
     
  19. Kharn

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    The bill states:
    Any person may get a license from any state they choose and then carry in all fifty states.

    Kharn
     
  20. det.pat

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    I think that this just spells out what the constitution already says about the official act ofany state must be respected by the other states. this has been selectively ignored for most of our history.
    pat
     
  21. xd9fan

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    Why do I need a "state"(state and federal) issued permit to carry? What does keep and bear arms mean? Where is the state-to state push for a Vermont/alaska system??????

    Do I need a state permit to talk too???
    Oh *$%&* sorry I was thinking the Bill of Rights was absolute.....damn....
     
  22. AirForceShooter

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    I'm not sure why we even need this law.
    The "good faith: clause of the Constitution should cover this .
    It's why your drivers license is good in all 50 states.
    Not to mention your marriage license.

    AFS
     
  23. Strings

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    AFS: that was brought up in the "gay marriage" thread: a bill that would, if nothing else, be an absolute RIOT to watch the progress of...

    Write a bill, based on the full faith and credit clause, allowing both gay marriage and national CCW reciprocity. The left would be screaming about the CCW part, the right would scream about the gay marriage part, and neither side could REALLY vote against it because it has something that both sides want to get.

    Personally, I think that one would make a spectator sport...
     
  24. Werewolf

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    ROFLMAO...

    You are one sick puppy - in a good way - of course...
     
  25. Cellar Dweller

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    Not quite

    What about this?
    subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.'.
    Four states (IL WI NE KS) still prohibit concealed carry, therefore nothing would change (and your rights would still end at the border) in thoses four even if this becomes law.

    I could get a non-resident permit and carry in the other 46 though; even more important would be the pressure on the last four holdouts to conform, and the pressure on "may issue" states to "shall issue, or I'll just get a non-resident permit and you won't get my permit fees."
     

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