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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by kmewing, Aug 18, 2019.

  1. Palolosj

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    I never check because mine is always hot. Theoretically position of next cartridge in magazine could shift causing a malfunction.
     
  2. JTQ

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    I was just going to ignore the first time this was commented on, but since two of you (both, perhaps coincidentally, who have joined the forum within the past month) have mentioned it, and neither of you seem to ever do "press checks", I'm wondering how you both came upon this information that the next round in the mag could shift?

    Is this "theoretical" taught in some shooting school?
     
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  3. Palolosj

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    Maybe it does not happen. I don't know.
     
  4. JTQ

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    Or an Al Pacino thing at around :18 mark



    or a Robert Di Nero thing at around the 5:38 mark



    However, it leads me to the possible conclusion that perhaps you're only supposed to do a press check while in an elevator.
     
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  5. Jammersix

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    Condition of readiness is a safety rule.

    Tell me this: to give you a weapon, I clear it. I drop the mag, hold the slide open, inspect the chamber, let the slide go home and dry fire. Weapon's clear.

    Then I lay it down between us.

    What do you do?
     
  6. JR24

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    If i pick it up I am still checking it, like I do for every gun, even the ones in my safe I KNOW are unloaded.
     
  7. 1KPerDay

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    I check. Every time.
     
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    Damn right.

    Because checking condition of readiness is a safety issue.
     
  10. C-grunt

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    If I'm at the range I don't check. At work I press check every morning just to make sure I didn't unload it last night and forgot to load it again.

    When the rifle comes out I chamber check it after clambering. More to verify the mag was arrested correctly and actually changed the round.

    I've seen people bring unchamered guns to a gunfight on a few occasions. I dont want to be that guy.
     
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  11. Anchorite

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    I run a G19. You can rub your finger up over the extractor to confirm if it’s loaded. Safer than a press check, but not perfect.
     
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  12. Anchorite

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    Uhhhh...... carry a revolver? Visual inspection when you pick it up....no need to press check or even swing out the cylinder. Just sayin’..........
     
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  13. kidneyboy

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    I drop the mag first. then clear it. No chance of chambering a round when the mag is out. Almost the first thing I learned about semi autos.
     
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  14. Speedo66

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    Brought to you by Hollywood, the same people who rack a shotgun five times in a scene, without firing a shot, to show they're serious.
     
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  15. herrwalther

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    Press check does have some real world practical uses. For most people? Nope. Sitting on a UH-60 about to do a fast rope onto BG roof in the dark? Better make sure you have at least one round to work with...
     
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  16. shoobe01

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    Press check: Hard no.

    Oh, chamber checking by normal, not-horribly-dangerous manipulation. Sure. If you want.

    Not necessary:
    1. Put full mag in gun.
    2. Cycle slide.
    3. Inspect that slide is fully in battery. No need to touch it. If not forward, with barrel hood up and locked, it's obvious.
    4. Remove magazine. Inspect:
      1. If mag removed is one round down, you loaded it. Round couldn't have gone anywhere else, so the gun is loaded. Replace with full mag (or put gun somewhere safe, top off mag then put that in), holster the entire assembly, and carry on with your day.
      2. If mag removed is totally full, you didn't load it. Gun is not ready to fire. Try again.

    Only other variation:
    1. Put mag with one round in gun.
    2. Cycle slide.
    3. Inspect that slide is fully in battery. No need to touch it. If not forward, with barrel hood up and locked, it's obvious.
    4. Remove magazine. Inspect:
      1. If mag removed is empty, you loaded it. Round couldn't have gone anywhere else, so the gun is loaded. Stick a full mag in, holster, and carry on with your day.
      2. If mag removed has a round in it, you didn't load it. Gun is empty. Try again.
     
  17. JR24

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    Interesting, I would contend that your method is less safe than a brief brass check.

    Press check, finger off trigger, work slide for a quarter inch or less, done

    Your method, drop mag, handle mag presumably with the gun still in the other hand, check mag (and not all mags have witness holes or very easy to see witness holes [looking at you Glock]) then more handling to reinsert the mag and move on.

    I don't consider either set particularly dangerous but certainly the one that requires more time and juggling gun and mag more rife for error and certainly not less "horribly dangerous manipulation" like you deem a simple press check.

    Then again the most dangerous manipulation, other than actually shooting, is holstering, as far as I am concerned.
     
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    This is my G26. I can see the rim of the cartridge. I've never owned a gun that I couldn't see if it was loaded like that.
     
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    On those rare occasions that I do feel the need to do an actual Press Check on one of my larger pistols I simply use my single-handed method for releasing my Glock slides during disassembly: right-hand thumb under tang (left to right), fingers wrapped over top-rear of the slide, squeeze hand "closed" and the slide opens just enough to see the rear of the cartridge.
     
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    Could have saved yourself some typing and us some reading by just saying: the John Wick method. :)
     
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  21. Trunk Monkey

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    And Luddites like me would have no idea what he meant
     
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  22. shoobe01

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    You don't top off after loading?

    So, already changing mags after loading the chamber. "Juggling"?


    What handgun mags have no witness holes for max load?


    Press check has a specific meaning. Only works on non-fixed guiderod guns, like original 1911 and BHP. Finger on front of slide where any accident gets it injured. Typically: thumb in the trigger guard. Press the two together. Press: check. That's the very definition of horribly dangerous to me. Seen people warned to stop doing it or get kicked off the range at classes, so this is not a unique POV.

    Chamber checks come in multiple flavors. When I did them, I learned the one where you feel for brass with the pinkie. More sure, not always well lit. In principle.
     
  23. 1KPerDay

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    Quite a few don't...
     
  24. GBExpat

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    OK ... whoever John Wick is. ;)
     
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  25. JR24

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    1. I holster, eject mag, then top off. Or I swap my off mag and holster, then top off.
    2. I was thinking of Glock mags with such small holes I can't tell if the bullets are in there or not.
    3. I always have heard that called a "pinch check" or pinch method and I agree, not very safe. Also the Steven Seagal method, jokingly. So here we have a difference in understanding and agreement.
     
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