Prewashing Brass before Tumbling?

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Anyone prewash their brass in a solution before tumbling?

I have a bunch of quality but quite dirty brass from a police range that I need to clean before tumbling, I think. I have a Lee decappoing die that I will use to remove the primers before washing. I will tumble/polish the brass after washing.

What do you use? Soaking in dishwashing liquid or Simple Green okay or will it weaken or tarnish the brass? I know to avoid ammonia. Any ideas appreciated!
 
Trisodium phosphate, for the grease and dirt and citric acid to get the really clean feel. They can be combined. Soak twenty minutes, dry and then tumble.
 
Waste of time in my estimation to bother washing the brass.

The below is in regards to handgun brass - I've never reloaded rifle cartridges.

For really dirty brass pecan media does the trick. Add a little activator, chunk in the brass, turn on the tumbler and forget about it.

I usually let mine run over night - 12 to 16 hours - and you can't tell the difference - inside or out - from new brass when it's done.

4 hours does the trick for the outside but the inside of the brass still retains burn marks, stain, grunge etc. which is why I run it over night. Truth be known 4 hours is probably good enough.
 
The only brass I pre wash is my 45Colt and 45/70 Sharps. Since I use Goex BP I put them in a solution of Simple Green and water while at the range. :)

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That's not what he asked for :banghead: ...!! He wanted to know if anyone of us knew of a safe solution to pre clean his brass. Come on guys...Deliver the answer. Here's mine. :neener:

Depending on how many cases you have to clean or how big your container is, here is my solution:
One pint of water
One cup of white vinegar
one tablespoon of dishwashing detergent
One tablespoon of table salt

Agitate every few minutes for about 15 to 20 minutes. Rince with fresh water until they stop sudsing. Dry however you usually dry your cases and tumble.

Works for me :D

Hey Werewolf...Did you know that nobody is going to see the inside of those cases... :D
 
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Hey Werewolf...Did you know that nobody is going to see the inside of those cases...
Except me... But then there's always some grunge left in there with only 4 hrs of tumbling and it doesn't take any more of my time to run the tumbler for 12 hours than 4 so what the hell. :D
Bushmaster said:
That's not what he asked for
GunAdmirer said:
Anyone prewash their brass in a solution before tumbling?
I don't prewash and explained why. Can't see any possible reason for it unless the stuff has been sitting outside for years and has some corrosion. :what: And even then I wouldn't wash it. I'd just toss it.:D
 
First I pop the primer , then put the brass into boiling water with detergent ,then rinse and dry. This is done to remove dirt ,especially sand [very abrasive] otherwise you risk scratching and wearing out the dies.YES sand will even wear carbide dies !!!
 
Know of what you speak. Werewolf...I do, but rarely, use a cleaning solution. Brass is cheap to begin with, but it's nice to have an added edge in your arsonal of tricks just in case... ;)

You actually clean the insides of your cases??? :scrutiny: Just to get them dirty again. :what: Right??? To each his own...I always say. I bet your cases are really shinny. Even shinnier then mine. Oh how I do love shinny cases :D
 
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I definitely decap and wash my brass before putting it thru my dies.

For those among you who haven't tried it, take a couple of hundred cases and give them a good wash... see that stuff in the bottom of the bucket ? That's what I don't want in my dies.

As far as cleaning the inside of a case when tumbling, the media you use can make a huge difference. Corn cob won't clean it, walnut will, but it takes forever and a day.

The best cleaning media for getting the inside of a case spotless is ceramic. It lasts forever, rinses clean with water and if you buy the right size, it won't get lodged in primer pockets. An added benefit is no dust, and no residue on your cases. It is EASILY found in the yellow pages... sources under sandblasting supplies. I bought a bucket of Sagebrush and paid $48 bucks for it <ouch>. I took a sample of it to a local sand blasting supply house and bought 50 lbs for $12 bucks and got a free BBQ sandwich while I waited (there was some kind of sales promo going on, but free is free :D)

The trick with ceramic is to use the right additive. I can take nasty range brass and run it thru my tumbler for about 45 minutes and it comes out looking absolutely spotless, primer pockets and all (as seen in the pic). The additive Sagebrush sells (Cabela's has it) works pretty darned well.

No use in wearing your tumbler out and running up the electric bill, just find a better way. Bushmasters brew is indeed a good one, I've tried it and it beats the daylights out of running a tumbler an extra few hours.

HTH

BigSlick
 
BigSlick - Your post intrigued me, so I called a local ceramic media supplier to follow up. Apparently there are all sorts of shapes and sizes of ceramic, all at different prices (everything comes in 50 pound packages, though.) What shape/size have you found to be useful?

Also, are the "additives" you mention something you use in bulk (by the pint or quart per load) or do you add a "capful" or so to each load, as I've done on occasion with Dillon or other additives for corncob media? If you use a lot of the stuff, do you end up with a slurry in your tumbler? I'm just wondering how well my Lyman tumbler would stack up to a semi-liquid instead of the essentially dry media I've always used.

Thanks for any advice.
 
I use hot soap and water for a prewash to get sand, dirt etc. off brass if necessary.

For additives with the ceramic, I have used several brands. The ceramic cleaner additive that Sagebrush sells does a pretty decent job of cleaning, but still leaves the brass looking pretty dull (if that matters to you).

I have a good friend who is a chemical engineer. We have been working thru several types of concoctions to come up with a good/cheap brass cleaner. We're pretty close to having it just right.

The brass shown in the pic is from 45 minutes in the Thumlers with a half teaspoon of our latest brew and one quart of hot tap water. Still fine tuning it a little. When we get it right, we will probably start trying to sell it at local gunshows to see if there is any interest. We have already located someone to package and label it. It may be a great idea, or a terrible idea, time will tell. If I can sell enough to keep me in bullets, I'll consider it a success.

For ceramic sizes, measure your primer pocket and buy something angle cut that is slightly longer in length, as small a diameter as available. This works great for straight wall cases, for bottlenecks go with spherical, 3mm works pretty well. Angular will clean primer pockets, spherical will do a pretty good job, but the primer pockets won't come out spotless. A slurry doesn't develop since the brass isn't being cut, simply polished.

I took 300 or so milsurp berdan cases to see if the ceramic and/or our cleaner would break it down. It wasn't reloadable brass so I used it to see what the effects would be of soaking it for several days and then tumbling it for longer than necessary (by far - tumbled it 24/7 for two weeks without stop). No breakdown that I could see. I wouldn't suggest soaking/tumbling your brass for more than necessary to get it clean to your liking, but forgetting it overnight won't be a problem.

Some vibratory tumblers can handle wet ceramic, some can't. Thumlers, Lortone and RCBS all make rotary tumblers that are up to the task. Any rock tumbler should do fine. Some folks have made their own for cheap with good results. I am in the process of making a large rotary using a pony keg, motor, bearings and a couple of shafts. I *should* be able to clean a 5 gal bucket at a time if it works as I hope.

In any event, none are as cheap as a vibratory, but as with the ceramic, they are a one time investment. One great thing about them is they are quiet. I use the wet ceramic in my Lyman Pro Magnum 2500 and it does pretty well if I don't overload it too much. Not as good as the Thumlers, but much better than a simple soak.

HTH

BigSlick
 
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