Prices of Laser sights seem high to me.
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If it breaks, you send it in, they send it back to you like new.
The firearms industry is a little unique in that regard. Customer service. Because you expect the firearm to last many years and receive good service if it breaks, a lot of the cost of quality components comes from the expected level of service provided.
Want cheap crap? The usual suspects will supply it. Will it still be holding up five years from now? Ten? Will you give it to your kids?
My second-hand Rock Island received a complete rebuild and tuning when it shot low. Cost me nothing. Amazing customer service.
When I bought a replacement forearm tube for my 870, the CSR on the phone anticipated that I might need a new bolt carrier as I might have an older model firearm, and when I mentioned I did she added it to my package for free.
When my crimson trace sight (also second hand) was damaged during cleaning, I sent it in and got it back like new. Even got a follow-up phone call to make sure I was completely satisfied.
All of that cost money. I paid for the service, but I paid for it up front instead of in a half dozen replacements spread out. Kind of like buying a snap-on or a craftsman wrench instead of an alltrade tool. Sure, the wrench is higher quality, but there's also a support network standing behind it that makes up the remainder of the price.
The firearms industry is a little unique in that regard. Customer service. Because you expect the firearm to last many years and receive good service if it breaks, a lot of the cost of quality components comes from the expected level of service provided.
Want cheap crap? The usual suspects will supply it. Will it still be holding up five years from now? Ten? Will you give it to your kids?
My second-hand Rock Island received a complete rebuild and tuning when it shot low. Cost me nothing. Amazing customer service.
When I bought a replacement forearm tube for my 870, the CSR on the phone anticipated that I might need a new bolt carrier as I might have an older model firearm, and when I mentioned I did she added it to my package for free.
When my crimson trace sight (also second hand) was damaged during cleaning, I sent it in and got it back like new. Even got a follow-up phone call to make sure I was completely satisfied.
All of that cost money. I paid for the service, but I paid for it up front instead of in a half dozen replacements spread out. Kind of like buying a snap-on or a craftsman wrench instead of an alltrade tool. Sure, the wrench is higher quality, but there's also a support network standing behind it that makes up the remainder of the price.
BURN
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I would get your wife a flash light....to use with the pistol pointed downward as to no flag a non-threat.....if it is a threat flick the guns light on as she drops the flashlight....just a little idea...There is another reason.
My wifes gun sits in the top drawer underneath her bras and such, and is a P01. I thought it out before I set it up for her, she is not a shooter, she likes it but not enough to practice alot, so check my thinking.
1. Something goes bump.
2. wife grabs the gun.
3. the gun has a RLS light on it, and the CT lasergrips. she hits the light, and the grips activate the laser just by her holding it.
4. she finds the threat, puts the dot on a spot sensitive to bullets and pulls the trigger repeatedly. No safety to worry about, doesnt have to focus too much on finding the front sight, long DA pull so she doesnt shoot ME on accident, lots of firepower and a flashlight to ID.
So basically just by grabbing it and hitting a button on the back of an attached flashlight, she has every advantage possible. If she has to grab the baby with one hand, she can, can even blast away while retreating.
Also in a dark house, that dot is very VERY easy to see.
Was the $399 CZ worth $75 bucks for a LED flashlight and a mount, and $230 for the grips?
Uh huh. AND its fun. She loves it, and thinks its the coolest. That goes a long way towards her approving future stuff.
Borrowed pic from Armoredman.
rcmodel
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It's always good to remember that a laser does not make the bullet automatically go where it is pointed like a homing missile.
If you flinch or jerk the trigger, you will miss just as badly with a laser as without one.
rc
If you flinch or jerk the trigger, you will miss just as badly with a laser as without one.
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Good point.
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my thoughts exactly.
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See post # 21:
Monkeyleg
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There's one price factor that hasn't been mentioned: quantity.
Crimson Trace sells a lot of laser grips, but if they sold a lot more they'd be able to sell them for less. There's a point at which the cost to produce something goes down when the quantity produced goes up.
As for needing them, most shooters don't. There are a lot of older people, though, whose eyesight is shot (like me) and who can't see the sights on their pistols. Lasers fill that niche very well.
Crimson Trace sells a lot of laser grips, but if they sold a lot more they'd be able to sell them for less. There's a point at which the cost to produce something goes down when the quantity produced goes up.
As for needing them, most shooters don't. There are a lot of older people, though, whose eyesight is shot (like me) and who can't see the sights on their pistols. Lasers fill that niche very well.
NMGonzo
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I would love to have the money for the CT lasers on everything I have and everything I want.
The price is fine; it is my personal financial achievement.
The price is fine; it is my personal financial achievement.
M2 Carbine
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I've got a box of the cheap lasers I've bought over the years. About all they are good for is playing with the cats.
Is a Crimson Trace laser sight (or the other good ones) worth the money? You bet.
Just for the heck of it, as it got dark yesterday I shot 30 rounds at my 2x2 foot steel target. The Crimson Trace laser is on a 38 3 inch S&W J Frame.
52 yards. Standing, two hands. SA.
Actually easier than using iron sights. Not that I could see the iron sights anyhow because it was too dark.
Is a Crimson Trace laser sight (or the other good ones) worth the money? You bet.
Just for the heck of it, as it got dark yesterday I shot 30 rounds at my 2x2 foot steel target. The Crimson Trace laser is on a 38 3 inch S&W J Frame.
52 yards. Standing, two hands. SA.
Actually easier than using iron sights. Not that I could see the iron sights anyhow because it was too dark.
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"52 yards. Standing, two hands. SA. "
That's good shooting my friend.
"52 yards. Standing, two hands. SA. "
That's good shooting my friend.
M2 Carbine
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Thanks, but it's just OK.
Can't hardly shoot good anymore with 72 year old eyesight and shaking hands.
Any decent shooter can do as well or better but most people don't have the chance to practice where they shoot.
Home range. Bottom 50 yards.
When I get a chance to sight in the laser I'm going to see how it is at 100 yards.
Back to the cost of the expensive lasers.
I've got good lasers, like Crimson Trace and Streamlight TLR-2 laser/lights, on all my defense guns, handguns, rifles and shotguns (if available).
It's right costly but if I have to use the guns in low light I know the lasers will do their job.
Last year I bought a LaserMax to try it out. As I recall it was about $100 cheaper than the Crimson Trace. It was so poorly made and poorly designed I gave it to a friend to play with.
I'm all for saving money but too many times it costs more in the long run.
dondavis3
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I like your range.
My eye sight isn't as good as it once was either - so I know what you mean.
I sight my CT's much closer than you do because I have them on my personal defense guns .
I'll probably be shooting at less than 30 feet if I need mine.
I use them at the range all the time and they are accurate.
I would like to have your "shooting" range in my back yard.
I like your range.
My eye sight isn't as good as it once was either - so I know what you mean.
I sight my CT's much closer than you do because I have them on my personal defense guns .
I'll probably be shooting at less than 30 feet if I need mine.
I use them at the range all the time and they are accurate.
I would like to have your "shooting" range in my back yard.
M2 Carbine
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I sight my handgun lasers at 25 yards and rifle lasers at 50 yards.
My HD distance can be up to 40-50 yards, so with the lasers zeroed at 25 yards the bullet strike will be within a inch or two of center from arm's length to about 50 yards (as the steel target shows).
I took this picture one evening after getting the CT laser on a Kimber Tactical Ultra pretty close. By the time I shot the 40 yard target it was just a Gray blur but it was still easy to get all the shots in COM.
That brings something else to mind about the cost.
The good lasers are easy to adjust and they keep their Zero, thereby saving money on ammo.
dondavis3
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M2 Carbine
That's my experience two.
I have a CT on my Kimber .45
the Kimber is on my night stand - all works out well for me.
That's my experience two.
I have a CT on my Kimber .45
the Kimber is on my night stand - all works out well for me.
M2 Carbine
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Good looking gun and I do like that grip.
When I got the one on that Tactical Ultra all they made is the ugly black grips.
The CT came with the Ultra Covert II but I've never really liked the color of the gun or CT laser. Nice shooting gun though, as all the Kimbers I've shot are.
When I got the one on that Tactical Ultra all they made is the ugly black grips.
The CT came with the Ultra Covert II but I've never really liked the color of the gun or CT laser. Nice shooting gun though, as all the Kimbers I've shot are.
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