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(PRNJ) Probation officers denied CCW

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Nathaniel Firethorn, Jan 13, 2005.

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  1. Nathaniel Firethorn

    Nathaniel Firethorn Member

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    In other news, the Salem nuclear reactor is going online, despite a cracked pump. Get ready for two meltdowns in PRNJ... :fire:

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  2. Hawkmoon

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    Hmmm ...

    I always thought the job of LEOs was to enforce the laws, and that the gummint paid prosecutors to prosecute (alleged) criminals. Sounds to me like the attorney representing the judges needs to go back to law school for a Law 101 refresher.

    That aside, the idea that only 200 out of several thousand probation officers should be allowed to carry firearms to defend themselves seems a bit obtuse.
     
  3. armoredman

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    It took some fighting here in AZ to allow parole officers to carry, in a state where open carry is normal! Good luck to NJ - I wouln'dt live there on a bet, nor would I ever vacation there. Sorry.
     
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    I say don't let 'em.

    If the citizens can't carry, neither should the government.
     
  5. WT

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    Screw 'em. If they don't like it they can go on strike.
     
  6. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

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    Typical NJ:

    Focusing on abstract separation of powers issues, worrying about whether the presence of guns turns probation officers into leos, while entirely missing the higher order points of the fact that

    A) people fundamentally have the right to be armed, LEO or not and
    B) probation officer is one of those jobs that paints a bullseye on your back and
    C)mandates that you interact with folks more likely to carry out their threats than the average bear.

    :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

    Can we please, please, please just wall the damned state off, like the cask of amontillado?

    I mean, how hard would it be to secure the bridges and start patrolling the Delaware river?
     
  7. RavenVT100

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    1. There are many of us still "trapped" here.

    2. There are still pockets of conservatives, and indeed the state has become more conservative lately and continues to become more conservative over time.

    3. NJ is held up by gun prohibitionists in other states as an 'example' for their states to follow.
     
  8. Master Blaster

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    I think this is ridiculous, probation officers deal with violent offenders who are likely to be carring guns illegally, they need to be armed to do their jobs.

    Perhaps this attorney and the judges who decided this should be required to go along with a probation officer for a month or so, into those dangerous neighborhoods, and deal with the violent offenders, unarmed of course.
     
  9. Hawkmoon

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    Methinks the message would be a lot clearer if they were sent instead of the parole officers, not with them.
     
  10. WT

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    The parole officers can express their right of free choice. They can walk away from their jobs if they feel that they are being placed in danger. McDonald's has a crying need for hamburger flippers. Obviously, the danger is overblown because no mass walkouts have occurred.

    I cannot recall when one of the 2,800 PO's was killed or seriously injured by a client. Really, who messes with PO's who can send them back to the slammer? Come on, give me a NJ PO's name.

    I don't like parole officers, members of the judiciary, enforcing criminal laws. There is no separation of state powers in this case. The PO works for the judge. Theoretically the judge, on a slow day, could order the PO to go out and arrest somebody and then try him.

    I had some parolees working for me. Their PO came to the jobsite once. She wanted to see the parolee's worksite but she so physically fat that she couldn't walk up a single flight of stairs. She never came again, relied on me for weekly reports. Heck, I should apply for a state pension from the parole board after doing their work.
     
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    Misleading thread title. They weren't "denied CCW". They can still apply for a permit like everyone else. If their job is really that dangerous, then they would've already applied for their permits. If even a probation officer can't be approved for a CCW permit, then he either shouldn't be one or they should work on getting the law changed for everyone.
     
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    In NJ the Prosecutor and Assistant Prosecutors are allowed to carry. Probation officers deal with criminals more closely than AP's do. They should be given the same rights. But then again this IS NJ. :cuss:
     
  13. geekWithA.45

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    It's OK. We'll have agents posted at the border to vouch for folks who know the secret handshake, and setup an underground railroad to spirit out the last couple dozen or so Americans.


    :neener:
     
  14. Nathaniel Firethorn

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    I hate to say this, but they should NOT be allowed to carry if the people are not.. Hey they are just average citizens.
     
  16. Standing Wolf

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    Clever.

    I'd be more inclined to say if government can be armed, so can the people in charge of government, which is to say: the voters.
     
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