Pro RKBA Opinion in LA Times

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Written by Robert Levy, co-counsel for the plaintiffs in the Heller case.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-levy14nov14,0,2444377.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail


Unholster the 2nd Amendment


The Supreme Court, in weighing D.C.'s handgun ban, has a chance to reaffirm the right to own guns.

By Robert A. Levy
November 14, 2007

It's been 68 years since the U.S. Supreme Court examined the right to keep and bear arms secured by the 2nd Amendment. It's been 31 years since the District of Columbia enacted its feckless ban on all functional firearms in the capital. It's been eight months since the second most important court in the country, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, declared the D.C. ban -- among the most restrictive in the nation -- unconstitutional. The obvious incongruity of those three events could be resolved soon.

Later this month, the Supreme Court will decide whether to review the circuit court's blockbuster opinion in Parker vs. District of Columbia, the first federal appellate opinion to overturn a gun control law on the ground that the 2nd Amendment protects the rights of individuals. If the high court takes the case, oral arguments likely will be held this spring, with a decision expected before June 30. (Full disclosure: I am co-counsel for the plaintiffs and am one of the attorneys who initiated the lawsuit.)

The stakes are immense. Very few legal questions stir the passions like gun control. And this round of the courtroom battle will be fought during the heat of the 2008 election. Further, Washington is home to the federal government, making it an appropriate venue to challenge all federal gun laws, no matter where an alleged 2nd Amendment violation might have occurred. Thus, Parker could have an immediate effect not only on D.C. gun regulations but on federal regulations.

Equally important, if the Supreme Court affirms the D.C. circuit's holding, state gun control laws across the nation could be vulnerable to constitutional attack. But before that happens, two other issues would have to be litigated.

The first is the knotty question of whether the 2nd Amendment can be invoked against state governments. Until 1868, when the 14th Amendment was ratified, the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government. But in the aftermath of the Civil War, much of the Bill of Rights was considered "incorporated" by the 14th Amendment to bind the states as well. Regrettably, the incorporation of the 2nd Amendment has not yet been settled. And that issue did not arise in Parker because the District of Columbia is a federal enclave, not a state.

The second question is even more complicated: What restrictions on gun possession and use would be permissible? Almost no one argues that 2nd Amendment rights are absolute. After all, under the 1st Amendment, the right to free speech does not protect disturbing the peace; religious freedom does not shield human sacrifice.

Similarly, gun regulations can be imposed on some weapons (e.g., missiles), some people (e.g., preteens) and some uses (e.g., murder). Indeed, the appeals court acknowledged that Washington might be able to justify such things as concealed-carry restrictions, registration requirements and proficiency testing.

But the Constitution does not permit an across-the-board ban on all handguns, in all homes, for all residents, as in the case of the Washington ban (with the exception of current and retired police officers). Somewhere in the middle, regulations will be deemed constitutional even if the Supreme Court upholds the lower court.

Meanwhile, the high court also will have to reexamine its 1939 gun case, United States vs. Miller, which generated more heat than light regarding the 2nd Amendment. The core holding of Miller, stripped of confusing clutter, was that protected weapons must be "in common use" and must bear "some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia."

Parker is entirely compatible with that holding. Pistols, which are banned in D.C., are self-evidently "in common use," and they have been carried into battle by American troops in every conflict since the Revolutionary War. But a proper reading of the 2nd Amendment should not attempt to link each and every weapon to the militia -- except to note that the grand scheme of the amendment was to ensure that people trained in the use of firearms would be ready for militia service.

Significantly, the 2nd Amendment refers explicitly to "the right of the people," not the rights of states or the militia. And the Bill of Rights is the section of our Constitution that deals exclusively with individual liberties.

That is why there has been an outpouring of legal scholarship -- some from prominent liberals -- that recognizes the 2nd Amendment as securing the right of each individual to keep and bear arms.

Considering the text, purpose, structure and history of our Constitution, and the clear weight of legal scholarship, it's time for the Supreme Court to revitalize the 2nd Amendment, which has lain dormant for nearly seven decades.

Robert A. Levy is senior fellow in constitutional studies at the Cato Institute.
 
Robert A. Levy is senior fellow in constitutional studies at the Cato Institute.
....And he wound up getting published in the L.A. Times, in an editorial column. Wow. I doubt the op ed would publish an article agreeing with this ... not in that newspaper!:uhoh::scrutiny:;)

I would expect this from the Cato Institute -- kudos to the L.A. Times for actually publishing it, though!
 
Heh, I have to wonder if the LA times were suckered into publishing a logical, rational argument like this.
 
Note that Levy says that even if the SCOTUS upholds the circuit court decision (throwing out DC's handgun ban) it is a near certainty that some restrictions or regulations on gun ownership will be allowed.

Almost no one argues that 2nd Amendment rights are absolute. After all, under the 1st Amendment, the right to free speech does not protect disturbing the peace; religious freedom does not shield human sacrifice.

Similarly, gun regulations can be imposed on some weapons (e.g., missiles), some people (e.g., preteens) and some uses (e.g., murder). Indeed, the appeals court acknowledged that Washington might be able to justify such things as concealed-carry restrictions, registration requirements and proficiency testing.

Trust me when I tell you that the SCOTUS will define "infringement" far differently than many who post here and on other pro gun rights forums.

But no matter where the SCOTUS sets the legal boundaries of infringement, the one thing that will come of this is to drive a stake through the heart of the so-called "collective right" (aka the "you don't have any rights") theory.

And that will be a good day for us indeed. And for America as well.
 
I wonder if anyone in Congress bothered to read Miller v U.S. when they started drafting the new assault weapons ban? The definition of an assault weapon in that ban's language is "any weapon which was originally designed or produced for military use". Miller protects the right to keep and bear exactly those weapons as having a reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. In fact, any AWB could be challenged on the basis of Miller. Therefore, the SC will probably overturn Miller, but reaffirm the RKBA as an individual right, with reasonable restrictions to its practice.
 
Trust me when I tell you that the SCOTUS will define "infringement" far differently than many who post here and on other pro gun rights forums.

Actually, they probably won't. They will let the inferior courts define infringement within the scope of the general finding of the Supreme Court and then sort out disagreements among the inferior courts at a later date, if any are too serious.

I really hope that they address incorporation, even though they were not asked to do so. Otherwise, this will only apply to D.C. laws and federal laws. The federal laws that have been passed such as the "assault weapons" ban and machine guns laws seem to me to be able to pass more scrutiny than a full handgun ban, which the feds have never attempted.
 
I wonder if anyone in Congress bothered to read Miller v U.S. when they started drafting the new assault weapons ban? The definition of an assault weapon in that ban's language is "any weapon which was originally designed or produced for military use". Miller protects the right to keep and bear exactly those weapons as having a reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia. In fact, any AWB could be challenged on the basis of Miller. Therefore, the SC will probably overturn Miller, but reaffirm the RKBA as an individual right, with reasonable restrictions to its practice.

1) I wonder if most members of Congress can read at all.

2) Miller does appear to protect military small arms, which would certainly include full autos, SMG's, etc. these days.

3) The Miller ruling and opinion is a muddled mess no matter how you look at it. Basically, the SCOTUS was not about to let a couple of crooks like Miller and his associate walk - even though they were dead by the time the SCOTUS got the case. They weren't going to overturn the NFA for the benefit of a couple of dirtbags, or those who would follow in their footsteps. So they came up with the best opinion that they could that would acknowledge the 2A right while also upholding the NFA.

It's a mess.

The current SCOTUS is likely to find in favor of an individual 2A right while avoiding any "damage" to the NFA.

Most of Miller will end up in the dustbin, where it belongs.
 
1) I wonder if most members of Congress can read at all.

hahaha perfect statement. What's interesting to me is how many lawsuits will arrise the day after SCOTUS has ruled (if they hear the case)... These are definitely exciting times.
 
Almost no one argues that 2nd Amendment rights are absolute. After all, under the 1st Amendment, the right to free speech does not protect disturbing the peace; religious freedom does not shield human sacrifice.

Similarly, gun regulations can be imposed on some weapons (e.g., missiles), some people (e.g., preteens) and some uses (e.g., murder). Indeed, the appeals court acknowledged that Washington might be able to justify such things as concealed-carry restrictions, registration requirements and proficiency testing.

It's like this: It's not disturbing the peace if you are yelling "fire" and there actually is a fire. I have the right to free speech but if I cause somebody harm by that speech then I go to jail. Same with the 2A - I have the right to bear arms but if I harm somebody then I go to jail. My free speech and my right to bear arms should be treated the same way. You don't take a knife and confiscate my tongue because I might yell 'fire' wrongly - but they would confiscate my rifle for fear that I will use it wrongly.

Comparing gun rights to 'disturbing the peace / yelling fire' is specious reasoning.
 
It's not disturbing the peace if you are yelling "fire" and there actually is a fire. I have the right to free speech but if I cause somebody harm by that speech then I go to jail. Same with the 2A - I have the right to bear arms but if I harm somebody then I go to jail. My free speech and my right to bear arms should be treated the same way. You don't take a knife and confiscate my tongue because I might yell 'fire' wrongly - but they would confiscate my rifle for fear that I will use it wrongly.

Jefferson would have concurred. I fear the U.S. Supreme Court will not.
 
Liko81, you hit the nail on the head! And as has been implied, any victory is a step forward. I too am amazed as to how the piece got by the :cuss:anti-gun liberals on the Times.:cuss:
 
One of the arguments put forth by the District was that the Second Amendment applied only to the militia, that the current militia was the National Guard, and the Second Amendment did not apply to the District since it is not a state and so cannot have a militia! If a court accepted that argument, it would ban the District of Columbia National Guard, some of whose units are now serving in the Middle East.

So, if you are a soldier and a court rules you can't be, what are you? An illegal mercenary? A criminal? An armed civilian? Do you have to take off your uniform, throw away your illegal weapon, and surrender to Al Qaeda?

It is interesting the extreme to which the anti-gun people will go to try to justify their arguments.

Jim
 
I have the right to free speech but if I cause somebody harm by that speech then I go to jail. Same with the 2A - I have the right to bear arms but if I harm somebody then I go to jail. My free speech and my right to bear arms should be treated the same way.

1) The SCOTUS will not treat them the same way.

2) You might not even want them to. Look at what has been done to free speech through "campaign finance reform" laws. Free speech is on life support.

I too would like the SCOTUS to "incorporate" the 2A but I think that this case (Heller) will not get us there. With DC being a federal enclave, there is no need for them to go there in this case. The 2A applies directly to DC.

But I do think the Court will lay out some standards for what constitutes "infringement", or possibly for the kinds of regulation of gun rights that could be expected to pass constitutional muster. That is because they will most likely uphold the circuit court ruling meaning that the current DC law(s) will be struck down. It is common when striking down a law for the Court to issue guidance as to what revisions would be acceptable. And I think they will do so in this case.
 
One of the arguments put forth by the District was that the Second Amendment applied only to the militia, that the current militia was the National Guard, and the Second Amendment did not apply to the District since it is not a state and so cannot have a militia! If a court accepted that argument, it would ban the District of Columbia National Guard, some of whose units are now serving in the Middle East.

There is no rule against DC having a militia even if it is not a state. Although the implication is that it does not need one. (Not neccessary for freedom) Since freedom is really even more smoke and mirrors in DC than it is other places one could argue that they already live in a police state there. (although a very poorly run one at that)
 
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