LA Times Editorial - 2nd Amendment

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That would threaten even reasonable gun-control laws

ooooh, the liberal press doesn't like it....it must be good!

http://www.latimes.com/news/printed...ns30jul30,0,578706.story?coll=la-news-comment


Gun control goes to court?
The Supreme Court may takes its first 2nd Amendment case in more than 60 years.
July 30, 2007

Fulfilling its duty to defend its laws, the District of Columbia has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review a federal appeals court decision striking down the district's gun-control ordinance, which bans the registration of handguns acquired after 1975 and effectively prevents citizens from legally keeping guns in their homes.

The danger -- and one that extends beyond the sometimes mean streets of the nation's capital -- is that the high court will endorse not only the appeals court's decision but also its radical reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment. That would threaten even reasonable gun-control laws.

The 2nd Amendment reads in full: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The dominant -- though not unanimous -- interpretation is that the first clause limits the second, making the right to bear arms a collective one.

But in striking down the district's law, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia embraced the Bush administration's view that the 2nd Amendment, like the 1st Amendment, refers to an individual right. "It seems passing strange," Senior Circuit Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote, "that the able lawyers and statesmen in the First Congress would have expressed a sole concern for state militias with the language of the Second Amendment. Surely there was a more direct locution, such as 'Congress shall make no law disarming the state militias' or 'states have a right to a well-regulated militia.' "

The final word in the American judicial system belongs to the Supreme Court, whose last major pronouncement -- in 1939! -- seemed to favor the collective interpretation. That year, the court reinstated the prosecution of two men for carrying sawed-off shotguns across state lines, saying there was no evidence that such weapons had a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia."

Unfortunately, the 1939 court defined "militia" so broadly -- "all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense" -- that advocates of an individual right to gun possession claim the decision actually supports their reading. That allowed Silberman to declare that the district's definition, which refers to militias such as the National Guard, "is just too narrow." But his definition is too broad, even if it allows for "the same sort of reasonable restrictions [on gun ownership] that have been recognized as limiting, for instance, the 1st Amendment."

In theory, it's desirable for the Supreme Court to resolve contradictions between lower courts about the meaning of the Constitution. In the real world -- where gun violence mocks the "pursuit of happiness" guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence -- clarity would come at the cost of public safety if the justices adopted Silberman's unpersuasive view of the 2nd Amendment. This issue cries out for the "judicial modesty" that Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has celebrated.
 
Their "Jim Crow" gun laws will fall, they hate it!

LA, where rich celebretards can carry but poor hardworking people can not.
Imagine, blacks and hispanics enjoying the same rights as the Hollywood elite.
They're choking on their morning frappycoffee things right now!:D
 
The statement of purpose limits the Second, but the statement of purpose in the First Amendment does not limit the First.:D

Won't the LA Times be shocked to learn that the Supreme Court has written many times now that the "right of the people" refers to individuals, not governments.
 
saying there was no evidence that such weapons had a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia."

Oops. . . . you gotta READ this stuff, kids. Cliffs notes won't do.
 
Fulfilling its duty to defend its laws

Well I guess they have to put some effort into defending something. So far they have failed miserably at protecting their citizens from crime or the loss of their constitutional rights. Afterall the city has worked so hard in raising the laws from wee little bills, and are proud of the full blown rights violations that they have become, like any parent they will defend the most important things in their political lives, the laws they babied through ratification.:fire::cuss::banghead:
 
What's interesting about this quote: "That would threaten even reasonable gun-control laws" is that the author admits, right up front, that many gun control laws are UNreasonable.
 
In the real world -- where gun violence mocks the "pursuit of happiness" guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence

Well, I guess that argument falls over dead fairly quickly when you factor in the use of firearms to protect life and liberty, those other two things guaranteed by the declaration of independence. Like millions of other americans, I work hard to afford ammo and firearms in my "pursuit of happiness", a nice group in the 10 ring. The founding fathers who came up with the constitution and the second ammendment, however knew the essential role firearms play in freedom from tyranous government, protection from crimials, and even for a leisurely hunt or competition amongst friends. Somehow that is lost on many folks today.
 
This case will change the way we all live, regardless of the decision.

It would be kind of funny to see Sarah Brady and Paul Helmke flipping burgers at the local choke and puke, trying to explain how no-one should have access to hot sauce, it has caused countless bouts of indigestion, and the occasional searing pain if it were to get in your eye, they are not aggainst the responsible use of condiments by the police, as they can be trusted not to "over do it" and "if we can prevent even one ulcer"
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...7616300.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials

From the Los Angeles Times

Gun control goes to court?

The Supreme Court may takes its first 2nd Amendment case in more than 60 years.

July 30, 2007

Fulfilling its duty to defend its laws, the District of Columbia has asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review a federal appeals court decision striking down the district's gun-control ordinance, which bans the registration of handguns acquired after 1975 and effectively prevents citizens from legally keeping guns in their homes.

The danger -- and one that extends beyond the sometimes mean streets of the nation's capital -- is that the high court will endorse not only the appeals court's decision but also its radical reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment. That would threaten even reasonable gun-control laws.

The 2nd Amendment reads in full: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The dominant -- though not unanimous -- interpretation is that the first clause limits the second, making the right to bear arms a collective one.

But in striking down the district's law, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia embraced the Bush administration's view that the 2nd Amendment, like the 1st Amendment, refers to an individual right. "It seems passing strange," Senior Circuit Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote, "that the able lawyers and statesmen in the First Congress would have expressed a sole concern for state militias with the language of the Second Amendment. Surely there was a more direct locution, such as 'Congress shall make no law disarming the state militias' or 'states have a right to a well-regulated militia.' "

The final word in the American judicial system belongs to the Supreme Court, whose last major pronouncement -- in 1939! -- seemed to favor the collective interpretation. That year, the court reinstated the prosecution of two men for carrying sawed-off shotguns across state lines, saying there was no evidence that such weapons had a "reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia."

Unfortunately, the 1939 court defined "militia" so broadly -- "all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense" -- that advocates of an individual right to gun possession claim the decision actually supports their reading. That allowed Silberman to declare that the district's definition, which refers to militias such as the National Guard, "is just too narrow." But his definition is too broad, even if it allows for "the same sort of reasonable restrictions [on gun ownership] that have been recognized as limiting, for instance, the 1st Amendment."

In theory, it's desirable for the Supreme Court to resolve contradictions between lower courts about the meaning of the Constitution. In the real world -- where gun violence mocks the "pursuit of happiness" guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence -- clarity would come at the cost of public safety if the justices adopted Silberman's unpersuasive view of the 2nd Amendment. This issue cries out for the "judicial modesty" that Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has celebrated.


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Lone_Gunman said:
The Declaration of Independence is not law, and does not guarantee anything... but of course the intellectuals at the LA Times can't understand that.

It does enumerate the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but you are correct. It does not guarantee them and is not law. But what if having a whole buttload of guns is how I pursue happiness, LA Times?
 
In the real world -- where gun violence mocks the "pursuit of happiness" guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence -- clarity would come at the cost of public safety if the justices adopted Silberman's unpersuasive view of the 2nd Amendment.

Too much gin on the corn flakes again.
 
I'm sure the LA Times would be all for the collective reading of the First Amendment as well, right?

Up until the point where that collective right gets them shut down for some reason or another.
 
Here is what I do not understand if the NATIONAL GUARD was set up in the 20th century and the 2nd amendment was written and ratified in the 18th century I fail to understand how the 2nd only applies to the National guard..anyone?
 
The danger -- and one that extends beyond the sometimes mean streets of the nation's capital -- is that the high court will endorse not only the appeals court's decision but also its radical reinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment.

Radical reinterpretation, my eye. How about "strict construction"????

That would threaten even reasonable gun-control laws.

One can but hope. (assuming there is such a thing as a "reasonable" gun control law...)

Springmom
 
I watched 'The Godfather" the other night where the horse's head ends up in the movie producer's bed. It's nice to know that the other end of that horse found a good job as Editor of The L A Times.
 
The world is full of educated fools. At least now we know where one of them works.

:neener:
 
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