Proof Marks Percussion smooth bore

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Hello friends and neighbors// Need help with an old percussion smoothbore, I'm dizzy from looking at proof marks.

Closest I've come was a large crown over EX as a BP proof.
My muzzle loader has EX over a rooster(?) on the left side.

Here are some pics please let me know if measurements and pics of the whole gun will help. Hoping the PM will be enough.






Notice the rear sight, it also has a brass blade front sight.

Thanks for any help or references.

 

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A few more pics to help, ty for the views!

 

[Jim K]

I can't offer much help except to say that IMHO, the barrel and the rest of the gun is a lot older than the hammer and it appears to be a conversion from flintlock. It was not originally American but the conversion might have been done here. The barrel markings appear to be a private proof mark and view mark, but I can't be sure of the name. I did check on a couple of possibilities, but came up with nothing that seems to match a name in my sources.

Someone else may have better info. Good luck.

Jim

 

[SDC]

The crown over a box with a name is typically Spanish from the 1700 or 1800s, but I can't make out the markings well enough to read; it looks something like
"?AN?
"CANT"
"VE??"

Where the last name of the maker is longer than 3 or 4 letters, it usually wraps over onto the following line, so this mark was probably used by someone named "Cantve??", but I don't see a maker by that name in any of my books. it also wouldn't surprise me if this was a flintlock converted to percussion.

 

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TYVM for checking,

The wear at the charge hole seems more like a flintlock upgraded to percussion.

The words are as SDC describes ...perhaps Pani, Cani, Veti .. but you are seeing about the same as I am.
The only, EX proof, I found listed was Spanish but that was an Eibar 1910 and this seemed much earlier.


The side plate is worn but has two words Juan--- over Y (or V) sala-. the y or v is open at the bottom and may not be a letter.
**The - indicating rubbed off letters.

Once again, ty for taking the time/energy to look!

 

[SDC]

It can sometimes help to bring out or clarify light markings if you use a white crayon or grease pencil to rub over the marks, then wipe away the top layer; this leaves the letters standing out in white, and it's easy to remove with a q-tip or toothpick later.