Proof that Ca's DOJ is working with the anti-gun front ?

[Liberal Gun Nut]

Good point.

Also, if these nuts can get access to high-level people at the CA-DoJ, do you think they might also have access to people at the BATF and the US DoJ?

 

[Zedicus]

dave_pro2a: People knocking the CA members here should remember that California is a time machine...

It allows us to see about 10 years into the future. You may think your state is free now (ID, WA, OR, NH, FL, etc), but there's a national agenda in the works here. They will attack us all via state law, and via Federal law.

So pay more attention to what the kooks in CA are doing, and how they are doing it. Consider it writing on the wall and let it hopefully spur you to action in your own states.

$.02

All to true, Also applies to UK Compared to the US, what happens there is almost guaranteed to be tried out here sooner or later.

 

[bg]

SOROS. Again, SOROS ! What I'd like to know who is
this persons boss or supervisor that allows her to work
against a group of people who are involved with legal
items, that being firearms. Just where DOES the buck
stop in the state of California, Does the state have an
Inspector Generals office or General Accounting Office
that oversees public servants business conduct code
and ethics ?

Just who is this [email protected]

 

[Gifted]

Surely someone who is a Holocaust survivor and a survivor of Soviet rule would have some clue that having an all-powerful government is not exactly the ideal way to protect the common man?

You're assuming he wants to protect the common man. Perhaps one of the things he aquired is a taste of what power can be? He has a lot of money, and in many ways is one of hte people ultimately in charge of certain agendas.

 

[Kali Endgame]

Reading the emails from the AAG scared me. To have a government organization "run the wording" by a lobbying group is reprehensible. Has the system lost it's power? I understand special interest groups are very powerful, but this has to be illegal in some way, right?

What can I do to help? I need guidance.

 

[SoCalShooter]

I'm not sure if you guys from CA expect us to sympathize with you, take up arms or what.

Obviously, you all didn't vote these guys into office... obviously. BUT, the vast majority of the people in your state must agree with these tactics, or else they would not be representing the locals in such a way.

What can we, non-Californians, do to support you? I doubt emails to D. Feinstein from some guy in Georgia are going to be read, let alone counted. Maybe I should move to CA to fight these laws? Not likely. Seriously, what can I do to help, considering I'm already a member of the NRA. Maybe I'm just supposed to realize how "bad" things could get? I get it loud and clear lol!

You know what you can do for us, make a place for us to move that safe from this. Keep your guns, keep your pro gun people, dont let the slime that is the California government ooze over to The United States of America. Everyday my respect for politics in this state decreases, it would be better if the sea swallowed this state.

Its our fight not much that the people in the REAL US can do for us. We can circulate things like this however and pass on knowledge. I think overall most Californians have been bambooseled over all the canidates an enourmous amount of double speak and special interests in this state have taken over. Moving out at this point (even though I would prefer to stay) may be the only option for me to get an AW as the anti's put it.

So if this person is in that office how do we use this evidence against them? How do we incite the voting population of gun owners that they are not safe?

BTW I am a little sketchy on how we GOT the documents, I cant go to calguns at work can someone please enlighten me?

 

[Ed Ames]

You should take it as a warning. As dave_pro2a said, CA is a time machine...

One reason anti-RKBA groups are eager to get into bed with a CA dept. AG is that Cali laws are often adopted by other states and even the federal govt. So our fight is your fight... we're just fighting it first. The corollary is that walking away from the CA fight... moving out of the state, for example, doesn't end the fight and doesn't protect your freedoms. It simply delays the fight a little bit.

Look at it... as though you are Indians (Native Americans if you prefer) ... leaving California is being driven from your land... and Arizona or Colorado or wherever you go is your new reservation, a place where you can exist in a way you find familiar... but next thing you know, you'll be driven off of that reservation and find yourself in Wyoming or Alaska... and then you'll be driven off of that reservation too... and if you keep running away, keep leaving instead of holding and fighting, eventually your way of life will be destroyed, your culture reduced to a few interactive displays in a children's museum, and your people exterminated. You will huddle in the least desirable place on earth and dry-fire your replica Glocks and say "we were a great nation" while bus loads of Germans stop to marvel at your primitive ways and take pictures of themselves wearing a shoulder holster and holding dummy AKs while making menacing yet goofy faces for the camera.


If you aren't in CA now... then look at it like public education. Chances are, you pay taxes that go to funding education... and those funds get diverted from your local community and applied to more backwards areas... places that are economically depressed and have an overabundance of uneducated people. This is done because those people wouldn't receive a good education otherwise, and their education benefits you. It reduces crime, increases the pool of skilled workers, and eventually helps to change the underprivileged area into a good place to work and live. Same with guns...if you are in Arizona or Texas or Wyoming or whatever other place you consider gun friendly, the presence of uneducated Californians is a direct threat to you and you should be actively trying to divert money to educating Californians and encouraging a gun-friendly environment -- including fighting bad California laws and funding the Cali RKBA movement. It's an investment in our future as Americans.

 

[Jim March]

Quoting:

Reading the emails from the AAG scared me. To have a government organization "run the wording" by a lobbying group is reprehensible.

Happens all the time. It runs both ways, too. When I was lobbying for CCRKA in Sacramento I was able to get position statements into various offices and I'd sometimes have people in Arnold's staff ask me specific questions. In some cases the other side (grabbers like Tolley) freaked out when I ran questions past THR. THAT was considered "inappropriate" by lobbyists for the city of LA pushing...crap, I don't recall exactly which stupidity of the day that was about. Ammo licensing or somedamnthing...take your pick.

The real issue is that the process is supposed to be transparent. You're supposed to be able to sort out who the players are, via disclosure forms.

Zedicus: grab the following pages:

http://www.projectconcern.org/site/...ulnerable_children_and_families_worldwide.htm - this one shows what they're about, supposedly...

https://www.kintera.org/site/c.fhKO...MSLlJYL6OZInISL6PULhJ3LrM6KqJ7KmP2LlIZJhO6IAL - one of the "how to give" pages with no info on tax deductability either way, which is damned peculiar...

http://www.projectconcern.org/site/...ng_health_and_poverty_solutions_worldwide.htm - another "mission" page...

http://www.projectconcern.org/site/c.fhKOI1PGIoE/b.990011/k.7F4D/Project_Concern_financials.htm - I missed this one, says they're 501c(3) - BINGO. I'll grab the PDFs from this page.

http://www.projectconcern.org/site/c.fhKOI1PGIoE/b.990013/k.703E/Contact_Project_Concern.htm - their "contact" page.

http://www.projectconcern.org/site/c.fhKOI1PGIoE/b.990015/k.6BF4/Project_Concern_staff.htm - staff list

http://www.projectconcern.org/site/...k.4077/Project_Concern_Board_of_Directors.htm - board of directors.

That's a good start. I'll deal with the PDFs myself and comment on them below.

 

[Leanwolf]

LIBERAL GUN NUT - "Surely someone who is a Holocaust survivor and a survivor of Soviet rule would have some clue that having an all-powerful government is not exactly the ideal way to protect the common man?"


L.G.N., Soros, as one of the richest men in the world, funds many groups of "Lenin's useful idiots," in order to bring about the one world totalitarian government which he seeks... and wants to control. Of course, he must have the worker peasants disarmed. It is not unusual for people who have the billions and billions of $$$$ he has, to want the ultimate power of controlling ALL the people in the world. (Afterall, doesn't Mr. Soros know not only what's best for all us worker peasants, but how to run everything perfectly?)

What Soros and his sycophants seek is their version of The Great Brave New One World Marxist Socialist Naziesque Police State Utopia, where -- with apologies to Mr. Orwell -- "all worker peasants are equal, but some worker peasants are more equal than others." Guess where Mr. Soros would fit in that definition.

As for Calif., where I lived for 35 years, I long ago came to realize that Calif. is heavily populated with, and controlled by MegaMillionaire Marxists and Billioniare Bolsheviks. They, too, can not allow the worker peasant rabble to be armed.

As for Soros being a Holocaust survivor, when I lived in Los Angeles, I ran into quite a few Holocaust survivors who were extremely idealistic, yet extremely non-realistic. They strongly advocated and crusaded for the ultimate confiscation of all firearms in the U.S., except for the sworn police, military, and of course, their heavily armed body guards.

You know. Just take the guns away and we'll all live in peace and harmony with an arm full of roses and a basket of kittens.

FWIW.

L.W.

 

[Jim March]

Oh. THAT explains it.

Check out the 2005 report:

http://www.projectconcern.org/atf/cf/{37259B09-00D5-4D00-B5A4-6D8FB2F34495}/pci-ar05.pdf

Not a single word about "guns", "weapons", "violence", etc. But then look at the major donors list on page 14. Top donor? "California Wellness Foundation".

Yup.

OK, y'all know what THAT is, right?

M'kay. For those just tuning in: some years back a major non-profit hospital decided to go for-profit. That meant that a lot of the donated money wasn't eligible to be rolled into the for-profit corporation (now known as HealthNet HMO). Negotiations began with the California government as to how much loot they'd have to kick loose.

Radically liberal politico John Burton headed negotiations. The billions in "excess" were diverted by Burton into Wellness.

Which in turn was chartered as "health related" but in reality was a gigantic neo-commie slush fund for "social change", with a mission statement under the table of "keep California as wingnut Democrat as possible".

Guess who was behind the Million Mom March and related "health connected gun grabbing" at SF General Hospital? Yup. Wellness. "Legal Community Against Violence"? Wellness again.

So now they're turning yet another "health charity" into a gun control front.

But...it's possible the real leadership here doesn't understand what's going on. They are after all running the BS out of Australia rather than San Diego.

So...I'll make some phone calls tomorrow, see if they realize they're being used as a front for gun control and are about to get the wrath of the American gunnie community down on their butts.

They *might* clean house.

 

[BryanP]

Since the word documents just contained 1 small image each I thought I'd just strip them out and post them directly to make them a tad more accessible.

 

[BryanP]

And the last one (5 attachment limit)

 

[Zedicus]

Had to disable Java and Java-script to archive those pages in PDF, but got them ok the sidebar menu's are missing but at least they aren't blocking the text.

PDF's Below

 

[Zedicus]

Forgot you can attach files here, Here's the some of PDF's attached to this post, the rest are on the next post.

 

[Zedicus]

Here's the rest.

 

[Jim March]

Zedicus, that's great. BryanP, nice on the graphics conversion, it allows us to blow up the graphics and resolve any wonky characters in phone numbers, etc.

OK. I'll move copies of their annual report PDFs to my webspace and post links here in case these guys fold. But I doubt that'll happen. I think this is a small infiltration into a much bigger org and we can stomp it in it's infancy.

 

[Zedicus]

Anytime, All to glad to help on this kind of thing.

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

That is so cool that this got uncovered. I fully support private charities that do health and humanitarian assistance in third world countries, and I would want to puke if I found out that some of the bucks I sent to some charity were being spent on lobbying my AG to ban my guns. This is stunning. LET THIS BE A WARNING, you need to know your charity before you donate. This shows something else, too. When you look at that website and all the board members, etc, you can see this charity has a budget in the millions of dollars a year. Are there donnors who really are donnating millions of bucks a year just to send food to starving children? My experience with donnors is there is always some reciprocity; it's not just a gift. I wonder where the resources for Project Concern go. Might it be possible that it is mainly a lobbying group instead of an aid group? Maybe not just on gun issues but other domestic issues? That's my gut feeling on it.

 

[Jim March]

Something tells me Luis Tolley may be operating totally out of left (pardon the pun) field and this new bunch we found doesn't have a clue.

I think Tolley left the gun control biz, went to work for this charity but just couldn't resist keeping a hand in. I mean, it's not like you'd go to Australia to pursue gun grabbing as a career...that gig is basically DONE, y'know? Beating a dead horse and all that.

Which in one sense is a lot like me: I'm now mainly in elections oversight instead of pro gun, but I keep my hand in.

The BIG difference is, I do my pro-gun stuff on my own time, my own computer gear, my own phone number and in all other ways my own dime.

If I ever did pro-gun stuff while operating as a rep of Black Box Voting, Bev Harris would have fried my butt good and THEN fired me, with good reason.

There's a fair chance we can arrange the same for Tolley. Because his new org just does NOT need to pick fights with the American gunnie community.

Another thing.

Wellness money was supposed to be spent within California last I heard. We'll need to check on that too.

 

[6172crew]

Thanks for posting this over on THR, not sure anyone would have even looked with my post count.

This lady really has it out for us and we can use all the help we can get.

Semper Fi,
Chris

 

[donger8]

To the top.

 

[SoCalShooter]

re:6172crew

I sent all that info to my friend, I will discuss with him about giving it to the club for review.

 

[Sven]

Bump to the top. This could be a big opportunity for us.

 

[GW]

Luis tolley has been a thorn in the side of CA gunowners for years
I'm glad these e-mails have been brought to light.
hopefully, these will help end their author's term in the AG office and maybe, just maybe we'll get someone who is intellectually honest in there.

 

[LAR-15]

http://www.lockyersguns.com/whathappened.html

Looks like Lockyer is in trouble with somebody