Proposed NY A08159 Amends Safe Act - Still Not Good

[dc dalton]

Proposed NY Bill A08159 amends and repeals portions of the so-called 'Safe Act', problem is it doesn't go far enough.

The bill is a nightmare to try and read with items being repealed surrounded in [] and new items in caps. Essentially it removes the detachable mag and one item definition of an 'assault weapon' and changes it to a detachable mag and two items from the list BUT then it adds in specific makes and models of gun considered AWs very similar to the CA and CT AW definitions.

The bill also adds back in a grandfather clause for high cap mags made prior to Sept 13, 1994.

I guess from a New Yorkers point of view it's better then what they have now but it's still draconian.

http://amgoa.org/Proposed-New-York-Gun-Law-A08159/State-Law/9868

 

[Torian]

Sounds like an attempt at damage control...or maybe not?

 

[Ridgerunner665]

The gun makers should still pick up and leave NY...there are friendlier states with plenty of folks that need jobs.

 

[Prince Yamato]

One step back in the right direction. Let's see if they can take a couple more.

 

[Nickel Plated]

I would probably rather have the list of features versus a list of specifically banned guns. You can atleast deal with the features. If you want an AK, you can get a neutered one like a Saiga. But if Saigas and AKs are specifically named. Then there's nothing you can really do.

 

[tyeo098]

I would probably rather have the list of features versus a list of specifically banned guns. You can atleast deal with the features. If you want an AK, you can get a neutered one like a Saiga. But if Saigas and AKs are specifically named. Then there's nothing you can really do.

Get a VEPR

 

[DavidMS]

There are two options

First one is to kill the legislation (good luck with that, its NYS) and pay the courts declare the entire thing unconstitutional. Second one is to work to to improve the law, with the understanding the original law was unconstitutional.

At this point its game theory.

 

[Jim K]

Doesn't Bloomberg own the state? He will just eliminate any opposition.

Jim

 

[tarakian]

If defines all AKs and ARs (among others) as Assault Weapons, no matter what features they have. This is worse than what is in place now.

(D) ANY OF THE WEAPONS, OR FUNCTIONING FRAMES OR RECEIVERS OF SUCH
49 WEAPONS, OR COPIES OR DUPLICATES OF SUCH WEAPONS, IN ANY CALIBER, KNOWN
50 AS:
51 (I) NORINCO, MITCHELL, AND POLY TECHNOLOGIES AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOVS (ALL
52 MODELS);
53 (II) ACTION ARMS ISRAELI MILITARY INDUSTRIES UZI AND GALIL;
54 (III) BERETTA AR70 (SC-70);
55 (IV) COLT AR-15;
56 (V) FABRIQUE NATIONAL FN/FAL, FN/LAR, AND FNC;
A. 8159 4

1 (VI) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, AND M-12;
2 (VII) STEYR AUG;
3 (VIII) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 AND TEC-22; AND
4 (IX) REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUNS, SUCH AS (OR SIMILAR TO) THE STREET
5 SWEEPER AND STRIKER 12;

 

[tyeo098]

That has been law since 1994 or whenever they implemented their federal copy.

The problem (for them) when specifying a name EXACTLY means that a single letter change makes it not banned.

The COLT AR-15 is banned while the Spikes SAR-15 is not, provided it passes the feature test. The FAL is banned, while the L1A1 is not. Get it?

This:
51 NORINCO, MITCHELL, AND POLY TECHNOLOGIES AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOVS (ALL
52 MODELS);

Means all AK's made by Norinco, Mitchell and Polytech are banned, while Arsenal/CAI/etc ones are not.

 

[tarakian]

You missed the first sentence:

(D) ANY OF THE WEAPONS, OR FUNCTIONING FRAMES OR RECEIVERS OF SUCH
49 WEAPONS, OR COPIES OR DUPLICATES OF SUCH WEAPONS, IN ANY CALIBER, KNOWN
50 AS:

I believe the intent is to get them all.

 

[Beach Nut]

I just read where Kahr is packing up to leave New York for Pennsylvania. The gun industry
is starting to take their business to states where it is appreciated along with the jobs
that go with it.

 

[pseudonymity]

That has been law since 1994 or whenever they implemented their federal copy.

That is pretty much it. This would roll back the AW definition and mag capacity limits to what they were from 2000-1/15/2013.

The new laws are worse than the old laws, but the old laws were draconian as well.

 

[Nickel Plated]

There go my chances of buying a Saiga I guess.
Oh well, parts kits and 80% blanks for me then. Really wanted a proper Russian AK though.

And yeah no getting around it with a Vepr. The law covers ALL AKs. It's not like some states I heard about (not sure if true) where they just wrote the law as banning Colt AR-15s. So you could still have an AR as long as it isn't a Colt.

 

[tyeo098]

You missed the first sentence:

(D) ANY OF THE WEAPONS, OR FUNCTIONING FRAMES OR RECEIVERS OF SUCH
49 WEAPONS, OR COPIES OR DUPLICATES OF SUCH WEAPONS, IN ANY CALIBER, KNOWN
50 AS:

I believe the intent is to get them all.

Then explain how the people of NY have had AR's for the past decade?

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Then explain how the people of NY have had AR's for the past decade?

They didn't enforce the previous law, unless you did something stupid and got caught, like telling an undercover police officer that you had post-1994 magazines.

 

[tarakian]

Post Federal AWB and pre NY Safe Act, ARs were legal in NYS with certain feature limits. No bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, or collapsible stocks being the main thing (unless the gun was pre-ban). Also the 10 round magazine limit was still in place for all mags manufactured post Federal AWB.

 

[tyeo098]

They didn't enforce the previous law, unless you did something stupid and got caught, like telling an undercover police officer that you had post-1994 magazines.

Baloney.

The law just means different than what you think it means, seeing as all the dealers selling and transferring NY-AWB compliant AR-15's.