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Protesters stand up to 'stand your ground,' but laws likely here to stay

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gym, Jul 19, 2013.

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    I get the distinct impression that these people just don't understand what a Stand Your Ground law is. I think that if they understood it the way it is supposed to be used that there would be no arguments about it. Or they could all just be sheeple......
     
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    People are upset about a case where "stand your ground" wasn't used...so they are protesting "stand your ground"?

    This makes about as much sense as protesting apples because your store carries oranges.
     
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    Ignorance is bliss....
     
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    I guess we won't be going to any Stevie Wonder concerts for the rest of our lives. I hope he wasn't counting on me or my family to make a living. He won't be playing or appearing in FL as long as SYG is the law. "Breaks my heart". From Masses email tonight,
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    Stevie Wonder has announced that he won’t perform in Florida until SYG is done away with. Stevie Wonder, through no fault of his own, is blind. He has my sympathy for that.
    But the other opponents of SYG seem to be willfully blind, and for that, there is no excuse.
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    And that fact is proof, if any proof were needed, that the media has ceased to become a news source and has become a propaganda arm of the extreme left wing.
     
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    Stevie Wonder not performing in FL until 'stand your ground' is repealed is a huge loss. Wish he said that about every state that has a 'stand your ground law'.

    The 'stand your ground' law(s) has(ve) become a symbol. The humorous thing is that if you talk to most any black man in a higher crime area and they will tell you they will stand their ground regardless of the 'law'. That goes for concealed carry as well regardless of the law. You see, it really is different for folks that live in high crime areas versus your typical person who lives in a suburb development where there is little crime.
     
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    These people are looking for every reason to have an excuse for what happened. It turns out there really isn't one. Some use race, some stalking, some the law, some hate, whatever, there has to be a reason. It can never some down to people, mistakes, poor decisions, etc. That way there is something legislatively or in policy they can change. Just watch what comes from this as a reaction.
     
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    There's about as much chance of "stand your ground" going away as there is of Rosie O'Donnell eloping with Michael Savage...
     
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    Without going too far astray of the topic and invoking the wrath of the forum management :D, the vast majority of those "protesting" simply have other agendas and have chosen to take advantage of the opportunity presented by the situation- I notice an abundance of "Occupy", SEIU membership, Socialist Party members, and others to remain nameless, at these "protests".

    What truly concerns me is this Administration's willingness to use this unrest as a platform to go after another part of our Second Amendment right using the underlying assumption that gun owners and CCWers have some sort of a "wild west mentality"- the "Stand your Ground" legislation has been used successfully by a significant number of those claiming to be "aggrieved", yet there is a virtual drum-beat in the media that this sort of legislation 'must go and now'.

    I find it to be an undeniable sign of desperation since none of Obama's 23 Executive Orders seems to have amounted to much.
     
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    22-Rimfire, Mr Wonder DID state he will not perform in any state with a SYG law. Now if we can just get Lady Gaga to do that, too...:p

    Back to the OP - there was a rumbling about Arizona's stand your ground style laws, but we've NEVER had a duty to retreat, no matter what Mr Holder says, and we kinda like it that way. Same as the others, I'd say the chance of it "going bye bye" is pretty slim.
     
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    There is a certain amount of tradeoff and a certain amount of error in every law, regardless of how it's enforced. I willin' to bet that every law on the books has wronged an innocent person at one time or the other. Fact is tho, while keeping "stand your ground" laws may mean a few innocents may die, changing them or removing them to favor the criminal, means a whole lot of innocents may die. Which is it we're willing to accept?
     
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    You aren't the only one to have noticed that, although it seems to have escaped the news media!
    I was rather surprised, when on ABC radio, a news commentator pointed out that "Stand your ground" was not used in the "ShallNotBeNamedFloridaCase", despite Obama's claim to the contrary.

    By the way, I believe Stevie Wonder's home state has a "Stand Your Ground" Law.
     
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    Dear Sirs: Reguardless of the law or verdict that was rendered, how would any of us feel if it were our child? As a parent, would'nt we want some form of justice so we could have closure? I think we would all want our childs death to have a positive outcome of some kind.


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    I would be heartbroken, but would absolutely not expect the conviction of an innocent man to give me "some sort of justice or closure"
     
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    And justice was served, the trial was fair, the verdict handed down. Wouldn't you want our system of justice to remain steady, and not be overturned on the Mob's whim? The positive outcome is that self defense laws were proven both right and necessary. As for the "m child" section, I submit I am attempting to raise my child with a healthy respect for law and order, and an understanding of what is and isn't expected of him in both private and social settings. While no parent wishes to see his/her child slain, if my child was slain as the perpetrator in a case of justified self defense, I would feel far more guilt to myself and my wife for not educating him well enough to help him avoid such a situation, the same obvious feelings I see when parents visit their adult children in prison.
     
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    Boom. That sums it up perfectly for most people. Apparently there are a number of folks in the country who would love to see an innocent man jailed to get some sense of satisfaction.
     
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    I completely agree. If G.Z. was my son, I would definitely want him to see justice and not be held to the fickle standards of a group of protestors who don't seem to even realize what they are protesting.
    Oh wait, which one did you want me to regard as my son? I have sympathy for both, but one was being attacked so I guess I'll side with him.
     
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    ...and in a case where there is some doubt as to what really went down, without absolute proof to the contrary, any parent would give their child the benefit of the doubt. The whole deal behind the Martin/Zimmerman case is that there is only one witness alive who was there....and he is not black. Most folks that are not black believe his story about how things went down that night. Those that are black tend not to, and they don't want to. It comes down to trust. Most non-blacks don't trust strange black people. Most blacks don't trust non-blacks they do not know. There is a reason for the lack of trust between the races, but it has nuttin' to do with the Martin/Zimmerman case. It runs much deeper than that and no amount of arguing about Zimmy's guilt or innocence will change it. The prosecution presented all the evidence it had. The jury weighed all that evidence and came to their conclusion based on it....not on conjecture. It is conjecture based on lack of trust that is driving this whole argument. Changing the verdict would only change those folks happy with it, it would not have changed the fact that folks of the other race are upset about the verdict. While the shooting itself was found not to be a racial issue, why some folks believe George and why some don't is.
     
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    Back to the title of the thread ... God, I sure hope so!
     
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    I feel the same as rpchevy.

    But since this is your FIRST post which I find interesting, I think every person or parent would like to have their death or a child's death have a positive outcome. But what is a positive outcome? There was a well publicized trial and a jury verdict. That was a positive outcome and probably reflects your feelings that justice be served even though on the initial review, no charges were going to be filed.

    I think 'stand your ground' is a God given right. I think it is better phrased that there is "no duty to retreat".
     
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    Either I have just not noticed it before, but I don't think I have ever seen a president comment on local legal issues...certainly not as often and showing such a bias as Obama..

    Not to mention he comments on these local situations without even knowing the whole story.
     
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    myron ligon,
    There can be no positive outcome if a man who was found innocent in a court of law is then retried in the court of public opinion and found guilty.
    No amount of conscience salving will make it ok to infringe on the rights of the law abiding.
    Certain people are simply (once again) using a tragedy to further a political agenda.
     
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