as the original HK 91? What german and US parts are into them like the Arsenal SGL AKs in the market right now ? If you have to choose, PTR 91 vs DSA STG 58 FAL? The current builders on each of them have them in 18 inch barrel , which seems to be the trend as people like shorter length barrels like the M 4 . Gone are the original 20 to 21 inch long barrels-- may be not as saleable.
PTR 91, are they that good
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both will work
The Obama administration banned the import of many gun parts, such as bolts and barrels.
My PTR91 has mostly German parts, except for the barrel. The barrel is better than any put on a military rifle.
I compared my PTR91 against a full auto HK in 9mm. Fit and finish, workmanship, the PTR was equal if not better. And that is what the owner of the HK said.
I don't know about issues with American made parts now that German parts can't be imported.
I really like FAL's. DSA has a great reputation.
Handle both, pick the one that feels right and is affordable.
My PTR91 has mostly German parts, except for the barrel. The barrel is better than any put on a military rifle.
I compared my PTR91 against a full auto HK in 9mm. Fit and finish, workmanship, the PTR was equal if not better. And that is what the owner of the HK said.
I don't know about issues with American made parts now that German parts can't be imported.
I really like FAL's. DSA has a great reputation.
Handle both, pick the one that feels right and is affordable.
Atlantic firearms has the PTR 91 with match barrel like $ 1090. How long do those pesky rollers last before putting new ones ?
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory93.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory93.aspx
PTR91's are also good to go. When they started up making bolts here, they had some minor teething issues, but they seemed to have ironed that out a while ago and are solid and reliable. They do dent brass, but that small dent does not cause any issues with reloading. If it bothers you, you can always put a rubber port buffer to keep the brass from getting dinged. Also the HK91 design inherently free-floats the barrel, so they tend to be more accurate then the FALs out of the box.
Z-Michigan
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The DSA FAL (STG-58, IMBEL, or SA-58) is worlds better than the PTR-91. I have owned both.
Please do a search, this topic has been beat to death. The PTR has a mix of good and bad qualities. A good FAL is one of the best semiauto rifles ever made.
Please do a search, this topic has been beat to death. The PTR has a mix of good and bad qualities. A good FAL is one of the best semiauto rifles ever made.
Driftertank
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Once again, i feel like a fanboy.
I like my PTR a lot. It's accurate and reliable as heck with commercial ammo. Picky about milsurp.
Couple notes for those considering one, especially if you've never shot one before:
1. If you want to shoot cheap milsurp, avoid AW serial numbers below 8000. Mine is one of these, and chokes on DAG, South African, etc. But if the one you want IS in that serial range, good news: they are more than happy to eat Brown Bear, Silver Bear, RUAG and Tula, and mine gets 3-4 moa with them.
2. Get a trigger job and a different recoil buffer. I have a Bill Springfield trigger pack, which breaks clean at about 4lbs, and a PSG-1 buffer, which gets rid of the annoying 2-stage recoil impulse and softens felt recoil noticeably.
3. If you want to reload, get an ejection port buffer. Costs about $35 at RobertRTG and, in addition to making the brass come out without any dents, makes ejection more consistent.
I like my PTR a lot. It's accurate and reliable as heck with commercial ammo. Picky about milsurp.
Couple notes for those considering one, especially if you've never shot one before:
1. If you want to shoot cheap milsurp, avoid AW serial numbers below 8000. Mine is one of these, and chokes on DAG, South African, etc. But if the one you want IS in that serial range, good news: they are more than happy to eat Brown Bear, Silver Bear, RUAG and Tula, and mine gets 3-4 moa with them.
2. Get a trigger job and a different recoil buffer. I have a Bill Springfield trigger pack, which breaks clean at about 4lbs, and a PSG-1 buffer, which gets rid of the annoying 2-stage recoil impulse and softens felt recoil noticeably.
3. If you want to reload, get an ejection port buffer. Costs about $35 at RobertRTG and, in addition to making the brass come out without any dents, makes ejection more consistent.
GCMkc
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They are that good. Mine has a TC match barrel and has FMP bolt and carrier. These rifles are good to go man. I have the 16" version and it has had no problems. Mags are super cheap as are most parts (tons of surplus: small parts, bolts, carriers, grips, stocks, etc). These guns are well built and I have heard from most that they are just as good, if not better, than a real HK91. Don't let the haters fool you.
In the end it all comes down to what YOU want. I think the PTR's and DSA FAL's are both sweet rifles but can only vouch for the PTR at this time.
I would love to own an FAL but can't afford one at this time
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In the end it all comes down to what YOU want. I think the PTR's and DSA FAL's are both sweet rifles but can only vouch for the PTR at this time.
I would love to own an FAL but can't afford one at this time
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As for roller life, i have about 1500 rounds or so through mine and bolt gap is still in spec with minimal change. The locking piece seems to show wear first. Get a complete roller set and a spare locking piece and you'll be good to go for as long as you own the rifle...assuming you don't do a FA conversion to it. Oh, maybe a spare extractor spring too.
I REALLY need to get around to uploading pics....
I REALLY need to get around to uploading pics....
JustinJ
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Do you have a reference for that?
InkEd
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I just recently was in the market for a nice .308 rifle. Those were 2 of the 3 at the top of my list. The DSA is probably the best FAL variant you can buy currently in production. The PTR91 is very close to the H&K too. You will be happy with either one.
However, I went with a M1A Scout Squad. It just felt better in my hands than the other two rifles.
However, I went with a M1A Scout Squad. It just felt better in my hands than the other two rifles.
Charger442
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I would go with the DSA FAL if you can swing it financially. And when you buy, tell them their barrel break in procedure is crap
Destructo6
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It's not an easy swap, like an AR. It will require some gunsmithing or some serious home plumbing.
However, the parts should be fully interchangeable.
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The two pins must be driven out releasing the barrel/trunion assembly, what more than that? It would seem that since the bolt was being reused that headspace wouldn't be an issue. I also wondered if the PTR recievers shown on their website are finished or not?
Destructo6
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What two pins?
There's one that holds the barrel in the trunion. Do the Federal Arms receivers have a second pin to hold the trunion in the receiver?
If you can get the receiver/trunion assembly out as a unit, you still need to weld it into the new receiver and the cocking tube to the receiver, all the while maintaining the proper dimensions so that the cocking handle's camming action will unlock the action while still allowing the bolt to go fully in battery.
Those receivers are probably in the white, but since some welding is required, you'd probably want to refinish it anyway.
Driftertank
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I was rather upset when i found that my rifle wouldn't cycle reliably with cheap milsurp, but i got over it when i realised that:
1. there is commercial ammunition available even cheaper than milsurp, that performs similarly,
2. i can reload and get match-grade for about the same price as milsurp,
3. the heavy T/C barrel on my rifle makes for tight, consistent groups that don't open up much as it heats.
Yeah, the "tar-sealed ammo" issue is an annoyance, but as a practical matter it's not as much of a hindrance as you'd think, IMHO. Though i also agree that a distaste for DAG is ironic.
I will also admit the FAL is superior in many ways. But i once put not 3, not 5, but 12 rounds into a 3" circle at 100 yds with Brown Bear, from a hot barrel with irons. Show me a DSA you can buy for $1200 that'll do that and i'll be proper impressed.
1. there is commercial ammunition available even cheaper than milsurp, that performs similarly,
2. i can reload and get match-grade for about the same price as milsurp,
3. the heavy T/C barrel on my rifle makes for tight, consistent groups that don't open up much as it heats.
Yeah, the "tar-sealed ammo" issue is an annoyance, but as a practical matter it's not as much of a hindrance as you'd think, IMHO. Though i also agree that a distaste for DAG is ironic.
I will also admit the FAL is superior in many ways. But i once put not 3, not 5, but 12 rounds into a 3" circle at 100 yds with Brown Bear, from a hot barrel with irons. Show me a DSA you can buy for $1200 that'll do that and i'll be proper impressed.
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