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Privi Partisan (PPU headstamp out of Serbia) AKA Wolf Gold loads 8mmx33.

They generally make good ammo. BSW
 
I've shot one 8x33 rifle, and have friends with a bunch more. The Prvi Partisan is what they all use, and it works very well.
 
If memory serves me you can make the ammo from basic mauser cases and the bullets are just the standard for 8mm.

As far as the rifle personally I would produce on in the orginal for collectors and one in lest say 7.62*39mm for those of us who want to shoot it.

I would love to have one
 
I seem to recall they were projecting $4-5K MSRP. As far as collectors, what is the value of a repro vs. the original? I'd understand paying up to a grand for a repro; no history, etc. but to me $4K is a joke for something that.

When they make one in 7.62x39 and sell it for a grand or less, sign me up. Til then....
 
It's your money...do as you please. Me, I can't imagine that unit costs anywhere near 4K to produce, and for a new gun, i'm not paying for nostalgia or antique prices. Heck, they didn't even shell out for R&D.

The only comparable that comes to mind is the Ohio Ordinance BAR. They sell (or sold) for about 4K for a semi-auto 1918 Browning Automatic Rifle; however, I'm sure that the receiver of the BAR is much tougher to mill than stamping a Sturmgewehr 44.
 
Because its the most significant small arm made in the 20th century, and you can add one to your collection for $5k, vs a real one which is $20k and class 3.

They don't make them anymore, they were made in Germany using STG44 tooling. The company that made them for PTR went belly up.
 
A few thoughts on the STG-44:
*Most folks don't even know what they are, so they are unlikely to sell a great number of them.
*The folks that know what they are generally have a fondness for them because they recognize the significance of this particular small arm.
*They are pretty heavy (at least the originals were), especially for a stamped receiver design; upwards of 11lbs IIRC.
*Ammo is available, but only from one manufacturer, albeit a pretty good one, and availability is very limited (at least in these parts).
*That is quite a chunk-o-change for a repro. firearm, especially one that is built from mostly stamped components.

Now taking all of the above into consideration, I think the best course of action is to buy the tooling, and produce the rifle in house just like they do with the PTR-91. I can't fathom how production costs would be more than those for the G-3 pattern rifle once the expense of tooling has been offset, so set the introductory price at $2k USD (what I consider a doable price), and lower it to about $1000.00 as the tooling is paying itself off. If they did this, I would surely buy one at some point, and with Privi producing the ammo for it, the proprietary cartridge wouldn't bother me one bit (I kind of like it).

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As far as the rifle personally I would produce on in the orginal for collectors and one in lest say 7.62*39mm for those of us who want to shoot it.
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7.92x33 is a lot shorter than 7.62x39 -- a conversion would require a major redesign to the receiver. It would probably actually be easier to make a firing replica chambered for, say, .30 Carbine.

A few thoughts on the STG-44
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To which add original magazines are scarce and very expensive, and the repros supposedly don't work too well.

And, of course, it's ridiculously, stupidly cool to some, as mentioned.

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(Larry Vicker's StG-44 -- the highlight of the already excellent AK specific class he offers.)
 
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It's your money...do as you please. Me, I can't imagine that unit costs anywhere near 4K to produce, and for a new gun, i'm not paying for nostalgia or antique prices. Heck, they didn't even shell out for R&D.

LOL another expert. With only 4000 being made even as an investment a buyer will be ahead in five years by 30%.
 
LOL another expert. With only 4000 being made even as an investment a buyer will be ahead in five years by 30%.
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MJ, I expressed my opinion. I did not profess to be an expert.

Could you share your experience on the numbers you posted(without citation)?

4000, where did you get this number? If they could sell 10K units, why would they stop at 4K? and 5 years? 30%? Where did these numbers come from and what is your logic?

Are you projecting that in 5 years these units will have increased in value 30% from the MSRP? If so, shouldn't original StG44's increase in price more than that? Do you really think they will?

The failure of the company that made them (as stated by Hatterasguy in post #9) might be a good indicator that business wasn't booming.
 
It's your money...do as you please. Me, I can't imagine that unit costs anywhere near 4K to produce, and for a new gun, i'm not paying for nostalgia or antique prices. Heck, they didn't even shell out for R&D.
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What they are paying for is material cost (have you priced tool steel?), machine time, and most of all, jigs and tooling. Even if you have all the dimensioned drawings in hand, you still have to design all the machine jig and fixtures and operations to make them. That was part of John Garand's design brilliance; developing all the factory equipment to make his rifle. And you can't just choose the most economical design details, you have to reproduce what the Germans made in the 40s. I expect that at $4k, they're only making a moderate profit, particularly when balanced against the risk of ATF deciding not to allow the gun on the market at all.
 
I quoted stats from two years ago when this all started. The company projected these numbers. If they made 10K then we would be looking at $2K each and when you look at the cost of the SCAR or even a Colt AR with the 10's or 1000's made why do they cost $2K+, but for advanced collectors it's i n the ball park. I paid $450 for my 93 and so you tell me it didn't hold value.

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Its not an investment, so if it gains value or not is meaningless.


I look at it as an affordable way to round out your German small arms of WW2 collection. Unless of course you have the means to drop $20k on a real one, than by all means I would do that.

Same for the semi MG42's they offer.
 
I shot one in 1966 at Ft.Sill in school. In '92 I rented one at the Knob Creek shoot. Cool factor=120%.

Brass can be made from 7.92/8mm brass with a cheap tube cut off tool. $12 at ACE and a die set from Lee. $42 special order. The price might have changed from Lee.
 
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