Put yourself in this position: new employer

[DeftwillP]

So, say that you get hired through a state museum (perhaps in the location that I'm from ) and are now a state employee. Of course, the first thing you look for in the HR Policy Manual is stand on CHL.
This is what you find:
"Firearms, weapons, and other dangerous or hazardous devices or substances are not allowed on agency property without prior authorization from the Department of Public Safety."

For those not from Tejas, our CHL is issued through the Department of Public Safety. Would you say that it can be interpreted to say that if you have a chl, you have authorization?

 

[chris in va]

Don't assume. Have a talk with some higher-ups first.

 

[DeftwillP]

I don't really have anyone that I know and trust there to ask yet. There are DPS officers casually working security detail in the rotunda/lobby but I'm afraid to ask them as LEO's are sometime woefully uneducated about CHL laws.

 

[Gottahaveone]

I like your thinking, but I'm afraid you will find that they are referring to specific permission for that specific location while you are on state time. I expect that if you had to use it, the state would find itself liable. But then, I'm not a lawyer

 

[mljdeckard]

I don't need to ask. I already know what the answer is.

Keep it under your seat, don't say anything to anyone.

 

[TAB]

no need to ask... the answer is no.

 

[lonegunman]

The socialists in the HR department called my department head because they found out there were several hunters where I worked.

It seems looking at gun or hunting websites during break triggered the spyware on our system. This triggered their acorns sized brains to panic that "gun-toting lunatics" were running amuck in our department.

Trust me nobody is going to give you permission to carry in a state office of any kind unless you are some form of LEO. If you ask you will be added to the list of nutty bastards that need watching.

No matter how civil they appear while you are talking to them, the HR person will notify every manager possible that you are dangerous within 30 minutes of your conversation. If you are on probation, you could be fired just for asking.

My organization has no policy forbidding employees from talking about firearms or using a company computer to visit gun related websites during breaks or lunch. They admitted that is was acceptable and then went on to say that the Democrats in MIS/IM decided to only allow cops to look at those websites and blocked the other 1000 folks from them. When we asked to unblock them, it started a sh#$%% storm. They reported my entire department as threats for workplace violence.

Being a gun owner and 2nd amendment advocate in today's climate is as dangerous as being a jew in Germany in 1938. Especially after this election.

 

[MDW GUNS]

Since we are now entering new anti gun times, forget about the idea that you can bring a firearm to a liberal workplace!

 

[JWF III]

I see you're from Texas, is there a 30-06 sign?

If the answer is no, and if times were better (job oppurtunity wise) I'd say test the waters, it could always be a lawsuit for illegal job loss if they did fire you. But in these times, as hard as a good job is to find, I couldn't do it. If you don't have to have the job, it'd be your call.

Wyman

 

[wep45]

do you want your job or your gun.....its their world

 

[rritter]

I see you're from Texas, is there a 30-06 sign?

This is actually irrelevant in this case. The 30.06 sign serves as notice if no other form of notice is given. Here, the notice is given as part of the HR Policy Manual (since I'm sure he signed a paper at some point indicating that he had read the manual and agreed to abide by it). In a store that doesn't have a 30.06 notice posted, you can also be informed that firearms are not permitted either verbally or by being specifically handed a publication (card, etc.) that says so. The 30.06 sign is just a sort of default notice so that places don't have to specifically greet everyone who walks through the door with the information that firearms are banned.

 

[Matthew Courtney]

The choice is simple: you can be prepared to defend yourself and have a chance to be employable(alive) after an attack, or you can fail to prepare and be unemployed(dead) after an attack.

Decedents never draw another paychceck. Survivors can find another job.

Domino's Pizza fired me for defending my black employees from some skinhead David Duke supporters during a gubernatorial campaign. The investagation found that the force we used was reasonable and we all survivrd to find other jobs.

 

[BBQLS1]

Being a gun owner and 2nd amendment advocate in today's climate is as dangerous as being a jew in Germany in 1938. Especially after this election.

Not very high road sir.

 

[HammerG26]

a couple of local LEOs I trust always say the same thing...
"better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" - though I am not in your shoes... it is a tough call... I wish you luck.

 

[ojibweindian]

Quote:
Being a gun owner and 2nd amendment advocate in today's climate is as dangerous as being a jew in Germany in 1938. Especially after this election.

Not very high road sir.

But probably very true, nonetheless.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Try this:

Go to a higher-up and ask them about the weapons policy outright. Say something to the effect of, "I drive to and from work and go though a couple rough neighborhoods*, consequently, I acquired a CCW from DPS so that I can carry a handgun on my person. I'd rather not leave my weapon in my car, as I feel that if it were broken into, it would be a liability; provided that the weapon in question is concealed on my person and that nobody ever sees it and I don't mention it to anyone, thereby causing alarm, may I keep the weapon on my person in accordance with state law? I understand that any use of my weapon, lawful or otherwise would most certainly go on my record and result in my immediate termination from this job."

Chances are, you may get a "yes" response. You'd be surprised sometimes.



*If you're in Austin, I assume the museum is downtown, which can be a little sketchy at night

 

[akodo]

DO NOT ASK

Conceal with great care

Use the exact phrasing if they ever threaten termination but beyond that never bring it up

 

[ezypikns]

No, it's not true.

Being a gun owner and 2nd amendment advocate in today's climate is as dangerous as being a jew in Germany in 1938.

And a pretty irresponsible statement as well. Not my opinion. A fact.

 

[bdickens]

don't really have anyone that I know and trust there to ask yet. There are DPS officers casually working security detail in the rotunda/lobby but I'm afraid to ask them as LEO's are sometime woefully uneducated about CHL laws.

Actually, DPS officers as a whole tend not only to be well-educated about the CHL laws (it's their organization that administers the program), they tend to be supportive as well.

 

[DeftwillP]

I did actually end up buddying up to a regular dps officer that works there and asked him the other day. He just stated the obvious that there is no 30.06 and said that I should just go upstairs and ask the director

I'll wait on that.

 

[deadin]

Of course, the first thing you look for in the HR Policy Manual is stand on CHL.

If this is so important to you, I would say you should have read the HR Policy Manual (or, at least, asked) BEFORE hiring on.

 

[eng23ine]

Concealed means concealed.

(not that I'm implying that you should do anything illegal)

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I did actually end up buddying up to a regular dps officer that works there and asked him the other day. He just stated the obvious that there is no 30.06 and said that I should just go upstairs and ask the director

I'll wait on that.

Here is what you do. Since you have read the policy manual and since there must be a few other things about which you have questions, schedule a meeting and make each query. When it comes to the CC at work question, ask what is meant by permission from DPS. Note (to you, not them) that you are not asking about for permission to carry, but asking what comprises permission from an outside agency. If asked why you want to know, simply explain that you found it odd that permission was from another entity and you wanted to know what comprised permission from that entity....if it was like DPS giving people permission to drive cars, for example.

How do you like Bob Bullock?

 

[M203Sniper]

Why don't you call the main issuing entity for DPS and explain your situation.

They can at least give you an answer on whom to peak with.

 

[TAB]

Concealed means concealed.

(not that I'm implying that you should do anything illegal)

yeah nothing like having "terminated for violating weapons policy" on your resume...