John Q. Pirate
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Saw this today in the New York Post. Notwithstanding the animal abuse allegations, the author seems to imply that owning an AR makes one "demented." Read on-
Queens "Gun Nut" Gets 20 Years
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Wonder9
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Whoa.
average_shooter
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I've heard of, seen and handled a couple expensive rifles before, but what the heck would a person have to do to a Bushmaster to get it to cost $15,000 !?!
$1,500 I could understand, but $15,000?
Oh, and the paintball quip is really dumb on the Justice's part. Just shows his ignorance and arrogance.
$1,500 I could understand, but $15,000?
Oh, and the paintball quip is really dumb on the Justice's part. Just shows his ignorance and arrogance.
6_gunner
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Maybe they meant that shooting dogs for ballistic testing made him demented. I'd tend to agree with that one. I happen to like dogs.
The "There's paintball, for heaven's sake," comment was kind of ridiculous, though. That kind of comment does not do much to restore my confidence in our legal system. Why not use the argument to ban baseball, since many people are content with playing sports-themed video games? Those bats are really lethal assault-clubs, you know.
The "There's paintball, for heaven's sake," comment was kind of ridiculous, though. That kind of comment does not do much to restore my confidence in our legal system. Why not use the argument to ban baseball, since many people are content with playing sports-themed video games? Those bats are really lethal assault-clubs, you know.
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Could easily be a pre-ban NFA assault rifle. $15000 would be on the cheap side.... although honestly they are probably just full of it.
If he shot dogs in his basement he deserves to be punished, but the article is obviously anti-gun.
I'd like to know more about this case...was he caught walking around with this rifle or was he pulled over and had it, with the ammo in his back seat? I'm sure there were other charges too...20 years for improperly transporting a rifle seems awfully extreme.
As for the dog experiments, I hope they throw the animal cruelty books at him, and you know what they say about people who torture animals. All in all, this guy sounds like a bit of a time bomb, and it's probably for the best that he goes away for a while. I mean, if he's already testing on dogs, carelessly parading a $15,000 rifle around NY of all places, just how long before people end up in his sights? That being said, this is an incredibly biased article.
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-I've seen some HEAVILY modified ARs out there...is it even possible to do 14 thousand dollars worth of upgrades? I mean, if we assume the rifle was 1500, and that he had 2 grand in optics, that's still over $11,000 worth of rifle to go. Even with all the parts hard chromed and/or MP3 coated, he's still way off that price tag.
As for the dog experiments, I hope they throw the animal cruelty books at him, and you know what they say about people who torture animals. All in all, this guy sounds like a bit of a time bomb, and it's probably for the best that he goes away for a while. I mean, if he's already testing on dogs, carelessly parading a $15,000 rifle around NY of all places, just how long before people end up in his sights? That being said, this is an incredibly biased article.
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-I've seen some HEAVILY modified ARs out there...is it even possible to do 14 thousand dollars worth of upgrades? I mean, if we assume the rifle was 1500, and that he had 2 grand in optics, that's still over $11,000 worth of rifle to go. Even with all the parts hard chromed and/or MP3 coated, he's still way off that price tag.
Prince Yamato
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That's why he's being charged. I think the media is playing up the gun angle, but in reality I bet it's the "shooting dogs" bit that's getting him prison time.
rfwobbly
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Maybe it was one from Saddam's gold plated gun collection?
Speedo66
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Full auto perhaps? Although even that doesn't carry a 20 year sentence.
There's more to this story we're not getting.
There's more to this story we're not getting.
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For a "scion of a wealthy, Flushing-based, real estate family", $15K is no big deal to spend on (what I assume to be) a Class III weapon.
Obviously, this guy has more access to money than common sense.
His ballistics "experiments" on dogs demonstrates that he is inhumane at the very least and that he probably has "issues" that would preclude him from being a responsible gun owner by the standards of this forum.
Obviously, this guy has more access to money than common sense.
His ballistics "experiments" on dogs demonstrates that he is inhumane at the very least and that he probably has "issues" that would preclude him from being a responsible gun owner by the standards of this forum.
JohnBT
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...othel_call_girl_turns_boyfriends_weapo-2.html
" Manhattan call girl from a notorious brothel led cops to the massive cache of weapons found in Queens this week, law enforcement sources said.
The prostitute - who worked out of "King of All Pimps" Jason Itzler's brothel near City Hall - ratted out her boyfriend Suwei Chuang, 36, after he stole her apartment keys, the sources said.
The woman also happens to be a key witness in the case against Itzler's lawyer and alleged partner in the brothel, Paul Bergrin, the sources said.
Bergrin is accused of helping Itzler - profiled in 2005 by New York magazine - of running the illicit sex business, which charged up to $2,000 an hour.
Chuang's lawyer Stephen Flamhaft acknowledged that Chuang stole his ex-girlfriend's keys to the apartment they shared in November. But Flamhaft said it was "nothing more than a dispute between boyfriend and girlfriend."
"She wanted to get married. He wasn't sure," the lawyer said.
Flamhaft said the woman, who was not identified, set up Chuang this week, telling him she was in the hospital and needed help.
Cops busted Chuang on Wednesday when he came to her aid with a fully loaded AR-15 assault rifle and 800 rounds of ammunition in his SUV. A search of his Queens home uncovered a large arsenal of weapons and ammo, police said."
" Manhattan call girl from a notorious brothel led cops to the massive cache of weapons found in Queens this week, law enforcement sources said.
The prostitute - who worked out of "King of All Pimps" Jason Itzler's brothel near City Hall - ratted out her boyfriend Suwei Chuang, 36, after he stole her apartment keys, the sources said.
The woman also happens to be a key witness in the case against Itzler's lawyer and alleged partner in the brothel, Paul Bergrin, the sources said.
Bergrin is accused of helping Itzler - profiled in 2005 by New York magazine - of running the illicit sex business, which charged up to $2,000 an hour.
Chuang's lawyer Stephen Flamhaft acknowledged that Chuang stole his ex-girlfriend's keys to the apartment they shared in November. But Flamhaft said it was "nothing more than a dispute between boyfriend and girlfriend."
"She wanted to get married. He wasn't sure," the lawyer said.
Flamhaft said the woman, who was not identified, set up Chuang this week, telling him she was in the hospital and needed help.
Cops busted Chuang on Wednesday when he came to her aid with a fully loaded AR-15 assault rifle and 800 rounds of ammunition in his SUV. A search of his Queens home uncovered a large arsenal of weapons and ammo, police said."
Don't be so easily manipulated. It is possible he was cruel, it is also possible he put down an animal like farmers across the nation do on occasion.
Such parts of a story need not be completely accurate, and are often exaggerated to sell headlines.
Someone often becomes some sort extremist or racist or terrorist etc in these type of stories. Exaggerations encouraged and promoted by prosecutors and agencies that want to see the individual put away and have public support.
I imagine if you ever read an exaggerated story about yourself facing charges in the paper you would not recognize the person they are talking about either.
When they want to paint someone as a nut with guns they will spin any tiny detail out of proportion. Including ever putting down a sick or violent animal instead of paying a licensed professional to do it for you.
ThrottleJockey
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I understand and agree with the other posts in this thread, but one thing we aren't considering. Judging by this freaks name, there could well be some major cultural differences we are overlooking. Maybe he was simply playing with his food?
JohnBT
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I hadn't heard about any of this. Hookers, a convicted arsonist, a stolen Glock, 6 police radios, an encoder (decoder? idunno)....
Oh, right, the guns.
"One Man War Zone
BY VICTOR G. MIMONI
Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:48 PM EST
A tip to a detective from the Manhattan District Attorney’s office has led to the arrest of a convicted arsonist and suspected gun dealer, and confiscation of a huge arsenal of weapons, ammunition, military gear and sensitive police radio equipment in Queens.
Suwei Chuang, 36, of 135-11 40th Road in Flushing, was stopped by police near the corner of Gold and Spruce Streets in downtown Manhattan and arrested at about 8:45 p.m. on Wednesday, January 2, after cops spotted a “locked and loaded assault weapon”” in plain view on the back seat of his car.
A woman known to Chuang had called the detective, saying the Flushing man had “menaced”” her with a firearm from inside his vehicle. Acting on the description provided, cops arrested Chuang for weapons possession, just a few blocks from Police headquarters and City Hall.
Upon observing the gun in the car, police obtained two search warrants, one for the car and one for Chuang’s apartment.
In the car, they found a “bullet-proof vest”” and “close to 800 rounds”” of ammunition for the AR-15 (a “civilian version”” of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military) much of it in 30-round magazines. The gun was fitted with a scope.
Armed with the other warrant, at about 11 p.m. cops from the Firearms Investigation Unit and the 109th Precinct entered Chuang’s 7th floor apartment, just across the street from the Main Street Flushing Long Island Rail Road station.
What they found was “disturbing to say the least,”” according to a police source.
In the apartment was an arsenal which included about a dozen handguns, one of which, a police-type Glock, was reported stolen, numerous other firearms, 40 large knives and close to 30,000 rounds of ammunition, including armor-piercing and hollow-point bullets.
Worse yet, Chuang was in possession of at least 6 police radios, including an “encoder”” which would enable him to monitor the “back frequencies”” used by undercover and anti-terror cops.
This revelation has drawn the attention of the Internal Affairs Division of the New York City Police Department (NYPD) which is trying to discover how such sensitive communications equipment fell into the hands of the Taiwan-born Chuang, who was convicted of arson in federal court in 1996.
Chuang, a naturalized citizen and U.S. Army vet, had been examined by an NYPD psychologist before the arson. It was unclear why he was screened, but the psychologist found that Chuang had “poor stress tolerance, poor judgment, poor impulse control and immaturity,”” a police source said.
The amount of ammunition, body armor, gas masks and other electronics have also drawn the attention of the NYPSD Organized Crime Investigation Division, and the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
One of the guns was a Belgian-made PS90, a “civilian version”” of a state-of-the-art machine gun used by Special Forces around the world. The weapon, erroneously reported to be an “automatic machine gun,”” fires a bullet which easily penetrates Kevlar helmets and body armor used by most law enforcement agencies.
The high-tech rifle was also fitted with a special scope which would enable a gunman to hit targets in near total darkness.
Also found was a .50 caliber muzzle-loading rifle of a similar design to the gun seized by police on the St. John’s University campus not long ago.
According to a police spokesperson, “Investigation revealed that Chuang was known to stockpile weapons,”” and “Inspector Brian O’Neill said Chuang was being probed as a weapons dealer,”” according to a published report.
Cops are also disturbed that in addition to the PS90, an easily concealed gun which has only been available for a few months, there were four empty boxes, two for the PS90 and two for the FS2000, a nearly identical weapon which fires NATO-standard ammunition. Those guns have been on the market since June of 2006.
A source close to the investigation told The Queens Courier, “We think someone may have gotten to the apartment just ahead of us.””
While many of the weapons appeared to be used, the PS90 and FS2000 are relatively new designs which sell for close to $2,000 each on the legitimate market.
“There’s no telling what they go for on the street,”” a source said, adding “that’s a very ‘sexy’ weapon.””
The PS90 comes with a 50-round clip, and the military version fires at a rate of 900 rounds per minute. Demonstration videos supplied by the manufacturer show the bullets easily going through titanium and Kevlar body armor.
“Numerous rounds”” of ammunition for the weapon were found in the apartment.
The source said Chuang “lawyered up immediately”” and that a woman claiming to be his sister and to own the 10-story building where Chuang lived “came down (to the 109th command) bragging about how much money they had and wanting to bail him out.””
After the weapons were cataloged and the Glock pistol was discovered to have been stolen from an upstate residence, Chuang was remanded to jail on Riker’s Island on a charge of robbery, in addition to weapons possession, according to Department of Correction records. "
Oh, right, the guns.
"One Man War Zone
BY VICTOR G. MIMONI
Wednesday, January 9, 2008 6:48 PM EST
A tip to a detective from the Manhattan District Attorney’s office has led to the arrest of a convicted arsonist and suspected gun dealer, and confiscation of a huge arsenal of weapons, ammunition, military gear and sensitive police radio equipment in Queens.
Suwei Chuang, 36, of 135-11 40th Road in Flushing, was stopped by police near the corner of Gold and Spruce Streets in downtown Manhattan and arrested at about 8:45 p.m. on Wednesday, January 2, after cops spotted a “locked and loaded assault weapon”” in plain view on the back seat of his car.
A woman known to Chuang had called the detective, saying the Flushing man had “menaced”” her with a firearm from inside his vehicle. Acting on the description provided, cops arrested Chuang for weapons possession, just a few blocks from Police headquarters and City Hall.
Upon observing the gun in the car, police obtained two search warrants, one for the car and one for Chuang’s apartment.
In the car, they found a “bullet-proof vest”” and “close to 800 rounds”” of ammunition for the AR-15 (a “civilian version”” of the M-16 rifle used by the U.S. military) much of it in 30-round magazines. The gun was fitted with a scope.
Armed with the other warrant, at about 11 p.m. cops from the Firearms Investigation Unit and the 109th Precinct entered Chuang’s 7th floor apartment, just across the street from the Main Street Flushing Long Island Rail Road station.
What they found was “disturbing to say the least,”” according to a police source.
In the apartment was an arsenal which included about a dozen handguns, one of which, a police-type Glock, was reported stolen, numerous other firearms, 40 large knives and close to 30,000 rounds of ammunition, including armor-piercing and hollow-point bullets.
Worse yet, Chuang was in possession of at least 6 police radios, including an “encoder”” which would enable him to monitor the “back frequencies”” used by undercover and anti-terror cops.
This revelation has drawn the attention of the Internal Affairs Division of the New York City Police Department (NYPD) which is trying to discover how such sensitive communications equipment fell into the hands of the Taiwan-born Chuang, who was convicted of arson in federal court in 1996.
Chuang, a naturalized citizen and U.S. Army vet, had been examined by an NYPD psychologist before the arson. It was unclear why he was screened, but the psychologist found that Chuang had “poor stress tolerance, poor judgment, poor impulse control and immaturity,”” a police source said.
The amount of ammunition, body armor, gas masks and other electronics have also drawn the attention of the NYPSD Organized Crime Investigation Division, and the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
One of the guns was a Belgian-made PS90, a “civilian version”” of a state-of-the-art machine gun used by Special Forces around the world. The weapon, erroneously reported to be an “automatic machine gun,”” fires a bullet which easily penetrates Kevlar helmets and body armor used by most law enforcement agencies.
The high-tech rifle was also fitted with a special scope which would enable a gunman to hit targets in near total darkness.
Also found was a .50 caliber muzzle-loading rifle of a similar design to the gun seized by police on the St. John’s University campus not long ago.
According to a police spokesperson, “Investigation revealed that Chuang was known to stockpile weapons,”” and “Inspector Brian O’Neill said Chuang was being probed as a weapons dealer,”” according to a published report.
Cops are also disturbed that in addition to the PS90, an easily concealed gun which has only been available for a few months, there were four empty boxes, two for the PS90 and two for the FS2000, a nearly identical weapon which fires NATO-standard ammunition. Those guns have been on the market since June of 2006.
A source close to the investigation told The Queens Courier, “We think someone may have gotten to the apartment just ahead of us.””
While many of the weapons appeared to be used, the PS90 and FS2000 are relatively new designs which sell for close to $2,000 each on the legitimate market.
“There’s no telling what they go for on the street,”” a source said, adding “that’s a very ‘sexy’ weapon.””
The PS90 comes with a 50-round clip, and the military version fires at a rate of 900 rounds per minute. Demonstration videos supplied by the manufacturer show the bullets easily going through titanium and Kevlar body armor.
“Numerous rounds”” of ammunition for the weapon were found in the apartment.
The source said Chuang “lawyered up immediately”” and that a woman claiming to be his sister and to own the 10-story building where Chuang lived “came down (to the 109th command) bragging about how much money they had and wanting to bail him out.””
After the weapons were cataloged and the Glock pistol was discovered to have been stolen from an upstate residence, Chuang was remanded to jail on Riker’s Island on a charge of robbery, in addition to weapons possession, according to Department of Correction records. "
Anything is possible. I knew someone that raised rabbits for just that purpose in thier basement and killed and ate them on a regular basis. They didn't shoot them, but they were also not very large animals, some dogs are.
It might sound sick, and I certainly couldn't raise dogs to eat, but pigs are often considered more intelligent than dogs. Billions of people consider them food.
Some cultures consider dogs just as acceptable.
Having that many weapons, especialy of such types in New York can cause that suspicion.
Can you say fear mongering? Those terms would describe weapons most firearm owners have.
Now I am going to go find a $15,000 AR.
When they have so much crap like that in an article can you even believe the other things are remotely accurate?
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RonE
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For a Bushmaster to be worth $15,000 it must have a Rock-n-Roll switch or a group therapy device.
Officers'Wife
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Typical big city article, long on emotion, short on fact. And there is something for everyone. Outrage over the poor dogs, seemingly large amounts of ammunition, and play on the 'he doesn't 'need' the weapon' with the paintball remark. Defend the bugger and you are accused of torturing animals and supporting terrorism. Classic.
Speedo66
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OK, assuming the last article is correct, he's got a prior conviction (predicate felon) which raises any sentence he gets.
He's got multiple charges, which may have been sentenced consecutively rather than concurrently.
Possession of 30 round mags, if manufactured after 9/94, are a D Fel. to possess by by themselves. He's also got menacing, poss. of weapons, stolen property, etc., the list goes on and on.
So yes, consecutive sentences could add up to 20 years. It's NOT just for possessing the AR-15.
He's got multiple charges, which may have been sentenced consecutively rather than concurrently.
Possession of 30 round mags, if manufactured after 9/94, are a D Fel. to possess by by themselves. He's also got menacing, poss. of weapons, stolen property, etc., the list goes on and on.
So yes, consecutive sentences could add up to 20 years. It's NOT just for possessing the AR-15.
Seenterman
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Alot of you may have overlooked this well because your not from NY but in NYC you need a permit to own a rifle. Yea I know its crazy, but thats NYC and me thinks he didn't have a rifle permit. I dont know if you have to register each long gun you own to the rifle permit, any NYC'er know about that?
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