Question about cross state line FTF sale

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I have a buddy who live 30 mins away from me in WI, I live in MN. I think Im correct on this but just want to make sure. Do I need to drop the handgun off at a dealer and he then has to go to the dealer and fill out the paperwork and pay a transfer fee?
 
Aaaand, not sure but I think your FFL has to ship it to HIS FFL in WI where he can pick it up. Someone will come along to verify that.
 
If thats the case, Im not even gonna sell it to him, thats a waste of close to 100 bucks in transfer fees and shipping to sell gun to my friend 20 miles away that Ive known for 30 yrs. But I can sell it to a complete stranger in MN though, so thats even more safe!
 
Then maybe you should just give it to him and if he happens to buy you some gas or groceries because he's a nice guy, then so be it

This is NOT to say I approve of breaking any laws at all
 
chris in va said:
Aaaand, not sure but I think your FFL has to ship it to HIS FFL in WI where he can pick it up. Someone will come along to verify that.
No sir.

The OP can drive the 30 minutes and deliver the firearm to the receiving FFL in person. He can meet his buddy there at that time, and his buddy can pick it up after the FFL holder has done his paperwork.

Any firearms owner can deliver a gun to any FFL for whatever purpose. This doesn't just mean by mail or other shipper.

Shipping a gun - THR <<-- while this thread is for "shipping", it does have the federal law in it for reading.
 
Go to GunBroker home page and find a transfer dealer in the buyers state. Both of you meet there and have him do the transfer. Should be able to find a dealer who will do it for $20-$25. No big.
 
So giving it away would be considered legal, looks like he's getting a free gun then!

No! The sales price has nothing at all to do with the legality of this transfer.

As others have said it can be legally transfered through a FFL in the receiver's state of residence. The sales price doen't matter to the FFL holder unless he/she uses it to calculate the transfer fee.
 
All you and your buddy have to do is bring the firearm to a gun shop in Wisconsin. He can fill out the paperwork on the spot. Probably take 15 minutes and cost $20.
 
Some states allow sales to out of state people as long as they are in a state that touches boundaries and as long as it isnt a handgun. Here in MI they can sell long guns to to Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin residents as long as it is legal on their end as well.
 
Some states allow sales to out of state people as long as they are in a state that touches boundaries and as long as it isnt a handgun. Here in MI they can sell long guns to to Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin residents as long as it is legal on their end as well.
Then maybe you should just give it to him and if he happens to buy you some gas or groceries because he's a nice guy, then so be it

This is NOT to say I approve of breaking any laws at all


and they both can go to jail for committing a Federal Felony by violating 18 USC 922 (also known as Title 18 Chapter 44 Section 922).

1. It is illegal according to Federal law below, for any private party to sell, give or otherwise transfer ANY firearm, long gun or handgun to another private party who is a resident of a different state.

2. It is illegal according to Federal law below, for any private party to bring into his state of residence, any firearm obtained from an out of state source, except for a long arm obtained at an FFL's place of business when the conditions of sale meet both states' laws of the seller and the buyer.

3. It is perfectly legal for you to deliver the firearm you have for sale to an FFL in the buyer's state of residence for transfer either by in person delivery (any gun), by shipping by common contract carrier (FEDEX or UPS) (any gun), or by mailing (USPS) (long guns only).

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html
18 USC 922:
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(3) for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State, (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;

(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to
(A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and
(B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located, except that this paragraph (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee’s place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States), and (B) shall not apply to the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;
 
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